"My 15 yr old trans son is going through menopause - and I'm so proud of him"

[bettybeans]

http://www.essentialkids.com.au/health/health-wellbeing/my-15yearold-transgender-son-is-going-through-menopause--and-im-so-proud-of-him-20200416-h1nfe0

Christ almighty. I have been trying very hard not to go in heavy on parents of trans kids who make decisions that I simply don't understand but this whole situation just brought out absolute fury. The way she speaks about this process just enrages and saddens me in a way I can't adequately articulate. It's quite simply terrifying. I feel like I'm reading about a baptism or something.

This kid didn't stand a chance and it's absolutely heartbreaking.

*mxn

Underbridge status a bit too obvious there, mate.

Im not a really angry guy, I'm just scared of raising a child in this country. I love my wife to death, but right now we live in an age where morals are going out of the window in favor of validation and profit.

I can see how Big Pharma benifits from this, and they do. So do governments. The men and women on top make the money from the people, who we can admit are predominantly upper and middle class women, but not always. There are a lot of people supporting this, the most noteable ones being the women in positions of power with a lot of wealth, because I don't see white men or men in general supporting such a toxic world view that blatantly mistreats us as a whole, and makes us all seem like bad people.

Its like the whole Sex worker thing, and people arguing if its ethical or not to support women and men getting naked online and charging people for it, when, just like this situation we all know deep down that people are being taken advantage of for someone else's person gain.

Sex sells, and so does loneliness, and the fear of being perceived as an outcast, or different.

Last time this came up I suggested wim-zin as a possible pronunciation but I'm open to alternate suggestions!

Where are all the over 30 year old trans men?
Why dont they exist?
Im 34, i went through secondary school with 2000 kids. None of them as far as I'm aware are trans.
I know a few my age and older that had eating disorders, myself included.
I know what its like to hate your own body.
The difference is nobody affirmed my delusions or thought I was brave for starving myself almost to death.
This was not a problem with my body of course, but a result of trauma, abandonment, conrol issues, possible autism, and yes gender and sexual identity issues.
Later lots of kids, girls, cut and self harmed, i cant say why because ive never done it, id moved on to other more subtle forms of self harm such as drug use and getting myself into risky situations, along side eating problems which i still struggle with now.
My point is, where were the trans kids then, and where are all the anorexics now?
I feel one has been swapped for the other.

the most noteable ones being the women in positions of power with a lot of wealth, because I don't see white men or men in general supporting such a toxic world view that blatantly mistreats us as a whole, and makes us all seem like bad people.

Who is actually saying men as a whole are ‘bad people’ on this thread or any thread here?

If there's a need for a "why oh why are women so angry at men" thread can the person who wants one not create a new one for that? Thanks.

blubellsarebells it is a point raised many times on these threads. That is why robust research on what is driving a 4000odd% increase in girl being diagnosed with gender disphoria.

The cross over between autism and transgender is interesting - I see a lot of similarities between the two in campaigning.

Well its all in the media that I see all around the internet, in protests I've seen happen in San Fran, some parts of new york, this weird agenda thats going around that seems to insinuate that I, as a male don't want women to have power, be successful, or make any choices because of the fact that they are women and nothing else. You can't pretend like this isn't a growing trend in the united states and the UK, because news articles, twitterheads, politicians, and journalists make their money talking about it

wolf So, not on this thread then? Perhaps as suggested, you should start a thread just about that topic.

PS There is a bolded Start in blue near the top of the page that can be used to start your own, why oh why are women saying things I don't like thread.

Back the point of the thread, avoiding derails.

The article in Pediatrics published by Jack Turban, trans activist, was meant to show that puberty blockers aided mental health. What it actually showed was that adults who had been on puberty blockers were much more likely to have been hospitalised for their suicide attempt than those who hadn’t been on puberty blockers. This a brilliant thread explaining it all:

mobile.twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1222662489911058432

You can't pretend like this isn't a growing trend in the united states and the UK, because news articles, twitterheads, politicians, and journalists make their money talking about it

Have you read the thread?
Its about a 15 yr old female identified as transgender being celebrated in Australian media for menopause symptoms associated with taking 'puberty blockers'

This is a common 'trend' in Australia, US, Canada UK etc

If you are new to the issues, many have found this thread useful reading:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

One of my pet peeves is to hear that womxn can't do a certain job because we are not as 'physically capable' as men. That is a prime example of Patriarchal conditioning, which is designed to keep womxn weak and subservient. Without this womxn are just as physically capable as men and also vastly superior in terms of cognitive function, empathy and forward thinking.

I imagine you are all for combining men's and women's sports, then.

It's interesting how often TRAs offer research that actually disproves or at least significantly undermines what they're trying to prove.

If feeling that this is all kinds of wrong makes me a TERF, I'll take that.

Winesalot i know its a point that's been raised and we need to find out, urgently what is happening to cause a 4000% increase in girls presenting with gender issues.
As someone who has suffered a kind of body dysmorphia in the form of anorexia and gender issues, it wasn't an issue at the time but i was what was called a tomboy, I feel I could have become one of these girls. Luckily i was born too early.
It seems obvious to me that one has been swapped for the other, the main difference being one carried stigma and the other is celebrated.
Also i think the world is more gendered and sexualised now and just more of a crappy place for girls to grow up than it was even 20 years ago when i came up.

Poor kid. I can really clearly remember discussing family planning with my school friends at that age. Some of us wanted big families when we were young and to be clubbing grannies, others of us to start families later after a decade of travel and fun. Luckily none of us were held to it, permanently.

The man who is scared to have a baby because he thinks his wife will try to change the sex of the baby. Thewolfatthedoor if you think this you should really have a good conversation with your wife.

Also i think the world is more gendered and sexualised now and just more of a crappy place for girls to grow up than it was even 20 years ago when i came up.

Agreed. I look at what's expected of young girls now and it's horrifying. Never thought I'd be looking back on the 70s and 80s with nostalgia but here we are.

I have a 15 year old sister and the difference between when i was her age 20 years ago and now is just astonishing and scary, i worry for her on a daily basis.
When i was 15 we all wore combat trousers and trainers.
There was no fake hair, nails, eyelashes, tans. Even hairstraightners were a luxury.
Some people were goths/emo/townies and i think that's another difference really, all the music and culture now is generic, even grime is mainstream now so there's nothing to differentiate between tribes as it were and i think some kids are using gender as a way to do that.

I keep saying that emo needs a revival, it could scoop up most of the transtrenders and the only medium rather than long term harm would be slightly fried hair from all the dye.

@Goosefoot I care not for sports so I wouldn't wish to comment on that matter beyond the fact that keeping women out of the likes of mens football for example is incredibly sexist.

Can I ask though, why are men even allowed on here? This us Mumsnet and if I recall, males are simply incapable of such a feat.

I have talked to her about and shes against the idea, but beliefs change, and I feel like the crux of the issue lies deep within the sociopolitics of men and women of moderns society, and women usually brush this off as "you're a man and you're salty because we have rights now and it scares you", when im more scared of the future my child is going to have and nothing more