MNHQ want money from us

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Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them.

eg
Relaxation of the anti-women censorship rules.
Reinstating banned respected posters like LangCleg.

I'll fork out 49.99 if they bring back Lang.

I’ll pay if I can use the language I want to. But I’m not coughing up if I have to contort myself to fit into their bullshit rules.

Apparently we should be “paying our way” on FWR! From the horse’s mouth . . .

Well,my take away from.that exchange wasn't so much 'paying our way' it was 'please pay to continue being victimized by twitter trolls' It went thus;

Have I got this right?
I could subscribe and pay for a year.
As a feminist I say something that misogynists on twitter don’t like.
Theyre not members or subscribers but their reports are listened to.
I’m banned a week later and not given my money back for the rest of the year?

And the answer from Justine was;

Well, yes, but...

I wouldn't advise anyone sign up for the yearly option to be honest.

Pay monthly and you can cancel your own DD/paypal.

I think there would have to be a money back guarantee for people who get banned for saying the kind of things that Justice Knowles said were ok, maybe?

This could be quite the tangle.

I think they're setting themselves up to be sued if they ban someone who's paid for a yearly membership and don't refund them.

Hm. Is it like a ransom fee? £50 or Lang gets it?

I'd happily support Mumsnet, tbh, if I thought I was able to make silly jokes without being deleted because some body on Twitter got upset. Or discuss child safeguarding issues without worrying that I might be deleted. etc.

Well, yes, but who's going to pay for a service that can be cancelled at the whim of any random on Twitter?

Hehehe. Paying for the privilege of providing their content? As well as paying through taxes for furloughing some of their staff?

Nope

Paying to get told off for calling men men. And have my data leaked by the dodgy intern. No thanks.

I'm very grateful to MN for providing a safe home for the trans widows and theoretically id consider subscribing on that basis, but I can't imagine there's any way to do it without handing over personal information.

(I've asked this on the Site Stuff thread but it's not been answered).

I'm minded to contribute. This is a time to put aside differences of opinion and look at the bigger picture, which is that we still have one of the very few large open(-ish) gender critical discussion spaces on the Internet.

There's not a lot of goodwill floating about to be honest.

I'm generally easygoing, slow to take offence etc, but I've found some moderator posts pretty condescending. And a small handful of aggressive reporters are preventing perfectly reasonable conversations- and not just in FWR.

I love Mumsnet and in particular the FWR threads, but my first thought was that I have to police my language, lie about reality and use forced language in order to keep posting. Sorry you’re having a tough time at MNHQ, but I’m more sympathetic to the females on here that are being constantly gaslite and bullied by those who are really in charge. Men.

What you've all said. My prerequisites are:-

Content writers can't be reported by non-content providers.

I'm able to post about biology accurately.

I'm able to trust that my data (and bank details) are safe.

There is a fair process for suspension and banning including Right of appeal. This to include details of the specific TG breach.

I'm confident that MNHQ staff understand coercive control and have received appropriate training.

I’m still waiting for an apology for MNHQ’s accusation of ‘haranguing’ after the various webchat disasters which were entirely of MNHQ’s own making.

No I don’t feel well disposed towards MNHQ at the moment really. I’m glad we are allowed to talk at all but this is a site built on women and largely on their experience of reproductive labour. And we can’t speak honestly about that. And then MNHQ complain about how hard it is for them to manage the webchats because women will keep asking difficult questions about women’s experience and women’s knowledge and women’s lives. I find that hard to stomach.

My verbal gymnastics are rubbish, so I rarely post in FWR. But FWR is the best section of MN IMHO, the fantastic women who do post are beacons of light. So I'm grateful that MN still allow a tiny bit of internet space for us...

Whilst I'm grateful to MN to allow some FWR discussion to go on, I think the censorship that FWR is subject to is irrational and unfair. I think banning Lang was wrong.

I think asking us, the content providers, to pay is a wrong business model.

Tbh my main concern is data and the linking of real identities to user accounts. These have been exploited in the past and brushed aside to some extent - I haven't seen anything clearly stating that changes have been made so that there is no possible way to do this from now on?

MNHQ security has been dodgy in the past. There are plenty of people at the moment with time on their hands and excellent hacking/phishing skills These attacks have increased enormously the last few weeks.

Oh and an editing function is a terrible idea.

I've subscribed, and I hope you all will, as well.

I think MNHQ would see very quickly that in the mass reports, etc. of FWR posters, very few if any will be premium members, or have long-established connections with the site.

The more of us are contributing, the bigger a problem it would be for MN to shut this space down, and the more evident it would be that the efforts to do so by outside forces are "astroturfing."

Obviously I don't expect everyone to agree with me. And obviously MNHQ has made decisions I disapprove of in the past, but so has my cable company and I'm still paying them for the services I use from them.

I don't think an edit function is a bad idea at all, but it should be a separate note in the op underneath the original text as an addendum. Loads of ops miss out important information and the threads get clogged up with asking the same thing even if the op posts again.

I've subscribed, and I hope you all will, as well

How do you suggest I reconcile myself with the data risk WombOfOnesOwn? I'm sure there's people out there who would like to know who I am in RL. I'd rather they didn't.

I'd need some sort of assurance that their security issues have been looked into and some serious progress made before considering handing over any payment details. Not to be unkind but the track record isn't great.

Is anyone remembering the Not The Nine O Clock News BBC licence fee sketch?

"I would gladly sell my house and all its contents to help MNHQ....."