MNHQ want money from us

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Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them.

eg
Relaxation of the anti-women censorship rules.
Reinstating banned respected posters like LangCleg.

I’m not worried about anyone knowing my name

Im worried about some thieving bastard stealing my money

The intern having access to our details wasn’t good and in a previous job of mine some thieves got a job in the company with potential access to bank accounts

Who knows what kind of dodgy things someone might want to do with your data? Many are making the quite rational decision that they'd rather not find out.

Not sure why people are so anti paying something to keep a site going that we enjoy.

Plus this is one of the few forums to have had women's backs - it's not an ideal situation but i think mumsnet has tried to hold the line far more than most. I'm quite surprised at some of the posts here.

You dont have to subscribe.
Lets be honest they could just close the feminist section down.
Probably only 5% of MN users would even notice.

Most businesses that I pay don’t accuse me and all the other users of ‘haranguing’ them.

Ive said why im not keen

Its fuck all to do with FWR

It is indeed a total mystery why women who have been walking on eggshells for a number of years when posting here would be found reluctant to pay money to a company which has already proven itself cavalier with their personal data on more than one occasion.

I remain forever surprised myself at the women who are ever eager to doff their caps for the chance to walk on eggshells around their statements lest a Tweeter takes umbrage. I'm sure we have at least one delightful specimen on the thread now,and I know they're reading it, delighted to see women being attemptedly guilted into serving against themselves again.

Who knows what kind of dodgy things someone might want to do with your data? Many are making the quite rational decision that they'd rather not find out.

Yep, it was only a year or so ago that a fucking Armed Response Unit was sent to a Poster’s house. Her DH was put in handcuffs at gunpoint, in front of their DC.

Lets be honest they could just close the feminist section down.

The board yes.
Not the women commenting on issues affecting children's Safeguarding & women's sex based rights though.

Probably only 5% of MN users would even notice.

You're wrong - FWR is the third most visited board on the whole site.

Whether their security issues have been sorted or not, they’re still legally obliged to hand over personal details if requested by the police or court order.

Personally I'm saying no because they dont have our back they are out to make money no matter who it costs them

@Bininterested what do you mean for calling men men ? What else would you call them ?

I’ve come over here as this section is heavily referenced in the payment proposal and I wondered why

I’ve come over here as this section is heavily referenced in the payment proposal and I wondered why

April 2018 Justine Roberts spoke out about the pressures on MN:

Times "Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts: Transgender activists try to curb free speech on site"
(extract)
The website had told the advertisers that it “works hard to keep the discussions civil” and was determined to let them continue.

“What’s worrying to me is the thought-police action around speech and the shutting down of the right to be able to disagree and immediately labelling it as transphobic,” Roberts said.

The threats are the latest move in a campaign by transgender activists to inhibit discussion of potential legal changes that would allow people born male to self-identify as women.

Feminists say the plans threaten women’s rights and protected spaces. Trans activists say that to oppose them is bigotry. They have pressurised dozens of venues into cancelling meetings on the subject." (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=b2eb62822dd26aecc0f88653978ed23a

FWR subsequently put particular rules in place for FWR, they are pinned at the top of the index page (& worth reading)

Many people new to the issues have found this thread useful:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

comingintomyown: A long running discussion in this part of MN is the objection to being coerced to refer to men who simply declare themselves to be women as women. Together with such a declaration providing these self declaring people automatic access to women's single sex spaces.

I've got mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, if MN closes down then we can't discuss this stuff anywhere. And shutting down the debate on here by intimidating feminists into not supporting the platform which hosts the debate, is a pretty good way for the TRAs to gain back their lost ground. Also, if MN have sub revenue as a back up to ad revenue then they'll have less need to keep throwing us under the bus to keep the advertisers happy. Imagine if an advertiser threatened to pull out unless they made x, y, z changes to FWR moderation, and MNHQ had a big enough safety net of subs to tell them to fuck off.

On the other hand the data breaches are a huge and ongoing problem. I resent paying to have my language policed the way it is. Plus tbh the whole site has been swamped by trolls and misogynists recently. So many abuse excusers, MRAs, and fetishists crawling the boards atm. If I have to read one more thread where the OP is told that it's her fault for provoking abusive behaviour, that she's expecting too much by wanting equal domestic input from her husband, or that she's being uptight about her boyfriends porn addiction, I might scream. Mods don't seem to care about these threads so I'm not sure the content outside FWR is worth much right now. When I first joined it had a much more pro woman feel to it. Now it's stuffed with "not my nigels" and posters just desperate to tell you how many shit women they know so that you understand women can do it too.

Sooooo the jury's out right now.

I completely understand the feelings about the negative influence of abusive monitors and heavy handed moderation. BUT, I can see the TRAs pleasure at thinking that Mumsnet has encountered difficulties. It has been their aim to shut it down and silence women.

So I have decided (despite the validity of so many comments) to support MNHQ. I have learnt so much from the awesome women on FWR but also value many of the other boards and can see the value that Mumsnet gives to women's lives. So I'm in.

@Dyrne what happened? I've only been on Mumsnet about 18 months, I didn't know about this.

Thank you for your help I will look at this

Ok I have just seen nauticants reply . Please may I ask is that the long and short of it ? There are no other trans issues?

coming in what sense? We'd like to be able to discuss reality in the same manner MN members have done since forever - personal attacks aside, it's always been a forum where you were permitted to state and defend your position, and no one was compelled to say untrue things. It had a strong pro-woman ethos. The guidelines around permitted speech, and the capricious application of those guidelines have changed much of that. What more is there to say?

We are not allowed to refer to males who identify as trans as 'transgender identified males' because according to MNHQ those males identify as female women not trans.
Pronouns cannot function as correction fluid for those who are dissatisfied with reality. Except here on MN where they do.

I won't be subscribing.

My data needs to be 100% safe. She didn't say it would be. The company ya they've used has incredibly bad reviews.

So nope. Nope and nope.

Agree with many others. I would swallow my irritation with some moderating decisions because I value what freedom of expression we have here, however constrained. But data security is a different matter. MNHQ have shown repeatedly that they are bad at it and that they don't take it seriously. They cannot be trusted with any personal data and they need to find a way of subscribing that does not involve trusting them with it - such as buying a token.

@comingintomyown this is a good thread to look at maybe?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me