MNHQ want money from us

[JellySlice]

Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them.

eg
Relaxation of the anti-women censorship rules.
Reinstating banned respected posters like LangCleg.

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis I am surprised you feel lucky to have a free space to use. There are lots of other platforms out there you know? If this was the only one I could understand your pov more.
And yes I understand AIBU, chat and telly addicts are well posted to. I just meant that the subjects talked about on there are not unique. They could as easily be hosted on a variety of existing platforms. Reddit for example had a sub called, am I an arsehole, which is pretty much AIBU. There are tons of telly addicts platforms and chat platforms. Any business has to look at what is unique to their business. Because in the case on MN it is not the functionality or data protection.

They could easily be hosted on a variety of other platforms
Yes, but there's not really many other parenting forums, is there?
MN is predominantly a parenting site for parents to get advice, support, etc.
Ones you mention like Reddit are much more generic and attract everyone rather than a parenting niche.

What 'disgusting' stuff is that Willis? Come examples or it didn't happen.

Funny how some people only ever post to tell us how wrong we are, but are rarely seen criticising others...🤔

*Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them.

Problem with statements like this is that it makes it sound like it's everyone.*

How about quoting the context, hmm?

"Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them." was posted in FWR, where there is consensus among the majority of posters. The majority, not all.

Oof! I mixed up the two threads on this issue. Nonetheless, my statement stands. On certain issues, there is substantial consensus in FWR.

Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them.

Problem with statements like this is that it makes it sound like it's everyone.

The first is a suggestion, its not problematic nor does it require or suggest there would be an 'everyone' , let alone that those who might agree with the suggestion to voice what they (singular) wanted should/would agree with others doing the same.

Although as JellySlice says there could of course be substantial consensus amongst women who post/lurk on FWR.

People are making out it's a case of "us versus creepy spies from Twitter" when a lot of the time there's regular, normal, perfectly legit MN users who have just finally had their eyes opened and got disgusted with (some) of the stuff they see on here.

It's funny how you just can't keep away, in spite of your "disgust" isn't it Willis? Here you always are with your tedious little digs and total inability to actually engage with any of the points posters make. It's certainly a very odd compulsion of yours. There are plenty of forums online that I find "disgusting". I don't go near them, because, well, I find them disgusting.

And, no, we're not lucky to have a free space to use. MN's users are the product, we are not the beneficiaries of some altruistic service. If there's any altruistic service provided, in fact, it's the one dispensed by posters themselves, who provide support and advice across the various boards.

Have you coughed up yet @WotchaTalkinBoutWillis? You should be on the sales team, considering the way you wax lyrical about MN.

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis Yes true this is a parenting forum and that is its usp. Maybe others feel differently but I no longer see it as that because I would never use it to get advice about anything difficult with my DCs. There are just too many perverts about on MN. I did use it that way before I deregistered and finally reregistered with a throwaway email after the last data protection breach. But there are so many subjects I would not feel comfortable talking about such as any potty training or toileting issues, anything to do with DCs bodies, puberty, etc. I know not everyone feels this way though.

I'm a regular active MN user and have been for years out on the main boards, why would I want to stay away?
I (usually) like it here.
And no we're not lucky to have a free space to use
Yes, I do think we're lucky to have a free space to chat.
Free support for example the relationship board.
Not many places offer that, if they do they're not as well known and/or big as MN.

Free support by other MN posters

Exactly, Pert - it's not Justine providing the support, is it? I've been giving professional advice on another board today. It's us that provide the support. And this website has profited financially from that (because people come here for the support, virtual company, and entertainment that other posters provide) until very recently. This notion that we are "lucky" and that some amazing service is provided to us for free is misguided to say the least. We are a product to dangle in front of advertisers. No more, no less.

It's one thing to be the product. It's another to pay for that privilege!

What input to MNHQ provide beyond 'witty' deletion messages, don't give money to strangers posts, deleting threads where the op is suicidal and saying 'Ahem' on bunfights.

we find ourselves as close as we’ve ever been to genuine existential difficulty
O the irony.
I'll contribute - how much is a tin of Brasso?

Don't know if they still have it, but NM used to have someone official from Women's Aid posting on their boards.
The advice in relationships is only as good as the people posting. That can be brilliant, or it can be dangerous. I have seen both.

The advice in relationships is only as good as the people posting. That can be brilliant, or it can be dangerous. I have seen both

Very true
Haven't been on NM for absolute ages, but yes I remember they used to have "official" people giving advice, not just users which was a good idea.

Now you mention it, I do remember the Women's Aid person. I think the Relationships board has changed beyond recognition. Too often now, it reads like an outpost of AIBU. I'm certain some people go on there specifically because they get some kind of high from kicking people when they're down.

Important to recognise that there can sometimes be 'official people' with limited understandings/expertise of abuse dynamics & 'just users' with considerable professional and/or personal experience.

Important to recognise that there can sometimes be 'official people' with limited understandings/expertise of abuse dynamics & 'just users' with considerable professional and/or personal experience.

Thing is with "just users" - there's no way of knowing who actually does have professional experience or be lying though, or just think they're knowledgeable on a subject and pass things off as fact.
So I think official people who have been verified as professionals can only be a good thing if they were to give advice, surely.

There are many MNers who have reported awful experiences with relationship counsellors completely taken in by sociopathic, abusive partners. Or worse, counsellors who have abused their position. We should keep in mind that not everyone who ends up in this kind of role is (a) competent or (b) there for the right reasons. I know several counsellors and, frankly, some of them are the last people I would go near if I needed this kind of help.

There are many MNers who have reported awful experiences with relationship counsellors completely taken in by sociopathic, abusive partners.

This 'abuse by proxy' as being a common issue in couples counselling was identified by Lundy Bancoft in 'Why Does He Do That?

You can read the whole book here:

the-eye.eu/public/Psychedelics/Psychedelic%20Praxis%20Library%203.0/Collections%20by%20Subject/Social%20Progress/2002%20-%20Bancroft%20-%20Why%20Does%20He%20Do%20That%20Inside%20the%20Minds%20of%20Angry%20and%20Controlling%20Men.pdf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

What is FWR

Feminism / Women's Rights
(this board)