Keir Starmer wins Labour leadership

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Well, it's the least worst option.

Hopefully Long-Bailey and Nandy will bog off to their TRA mates and stay there now. (Although I wonder if they will be dropped like hot stones now their usefulness has expired?)

Be interesting to see how/if/when/why Starmer addresses women's rights in the coming months and years.

Yes, I will be horrified to see Nandy and Long Bailey on the front bench.

I'm not joking.
Self ID is not an option Kier.

im very pleased- and i feel the issue is going to slowly slink away in embarrassment.

Results as expected. It wasn’t a ringing endorsement for those with a TR agenda, although who knows what Keir Starmer really thinks as he trod a decidedly delicate path.

It was a thumping victory too. That sends a message to the extremist ideologues (of all types) in Labour, that a more centrist agenda is what they want.

Interesting to note the relatively low turnout for such a big event too. Corbynites stayed away sulking or something else?

Sir Keir Starmer - 275,780 votes (56.2%).
Rebecca Long-Bailey - 135,218 votes (27.6%)
Lisa Nandy - 79,597 votes (16.2%)

Just over 490,000 people voted in the contest, out of the 784,151 eligible to take part,

The best option.

Is Angela Rayner Long-Bailey's pal? Ian Murray would have been best choice for deputy but at least it's not Dawn Butler.

Ian Murray is full on TWAW he's clearly taken the stonewall training so whilst I respect he may be a good local MP I'm glad he's not deputy

Well, it's the least worst option.

Pretty much. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for continuing along the same path they have been on.

Ian Murray is full on TWAW he's clearly taken the stonewall training so whilst I respect he may be a good local MP I'm glad he's not deputy

Not particularly my prime concern. He isn't a deranged Momentum Marxist.

Seeing as he had already said that he supports self id in an interview with prick news and thinks that the current GRA “doesn’t go far enough” I don’t think it’s going to go away. He stopped short of claiming WPUK are a hate group but that’s about it as far as I can see. All the rest was there. He’s wants a debate but that it has to be “in the right spirit”. After all this is all just exactly like section 28 and “we will look back at this period, at some of the media coverage in particular, and be ashamed of what’s gone on”. I’m not expecting anything from him with regard to women’s rights.

He may be the least worst but there’s still no way I would vote labour

Glancing over RLB and LN's concession tweets, I am not seeing any blue/pink flags, anime avatars or usual suspect trans extremist profiles commenting.

Nor is there any reference to women or women's rights or their very vocal and deeply held objections to women having those rights in their own comments.

They'll soon learn how disposable they were and how fast their new friends dropped them.

I'm unlikely to vote Labour in the near future. Starmer will have a long toil up a muddy field for a long time to make Labour electable.

He was the only one who said he felt the GC argument was worth having in the MN webchats.

i think he is on trans movement too. just look moderate.
he signed another trans petition.

I'm mildly optimistic that Keir Starmer will do something about the way this issue has been dealt with within the Labour Party.

Last Saturday (28 March) one of Starmer's campaign team rang me to ask who I was going to vote for. I said I still wasn't sure but if I did it probably would be for Keir. They asked why I wasn't sure and I said I didn't want to talk about it because it was a controversial subject and with the coronavirus crisis it just felt petty at the moment.

She pressed me and all I said that the that the other two candidates had fully embraced something that I disagreed with and Keir had only 'half-embraced' it. She said straight away "is it the trans issue?" I said yes but I didn't want to talk about it, but we did anyway.

She made it clear that Keir Starmer didn't sign the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights pledge because of the "expelling Labour members" part and because that they (I'm assuming the KS team) "didn't know who they were or where they had come from". That's why he signed the Labour LGBT pledge instead because they are a known affiliated group.

I asked her what would KS do if he became leader - would he deal with the current situation in the LP because it was upsetting a lot of people. She told me that KS was very aware of the current situation as it had "come up a lot" in their canvassing. I think he and his team know this issue isn't going to go away and something needs to be done.

Whether or not anything will be done now he is leader remains to be seen. I for one will be watching with interest (and my LP membership rests on it).

P.S. I did vote KS for leader and Richard Burgon for deputy as he was the only other candidate not to sign the LCTR pledge.

Better than the alternatives. That's about it so far but I'll wait and see.

Starmer is no different to the other two, just valued his personal interests above being honest about it in a very New Labour way. No one knows what he actually thinks or intends to do, and he certainly wasn't going to let you know before he was safely in power.

I wouldn't have voted for him on that alone: I can't bear that kind of deceit in politics. The women may have been openly batshit but did at least believe in integrity and allowing voters to make an informed choice of what they wished to place into power. I don't agree with them but I respect that about them.

^ think he is on trans movement too. just look moderate.
he signed another trans petition^

he is a fence sitter

bit of a coward but best option when the other two signed the pledge to purge

literally the only one in the field who was not barking mad

He isn't a deranged Momentum Marxist

Laura Pidcock, who would have been Momentum's candidate is one of the few people in the Labour Party who has had time for the GC argument.

Agreed he is a fence sitter so I am reserving judgement. However, if he is full of identity politics/TWAW bullshit he has zero chance of winning back the lost labour seats.

Labour don't deserve our votes, or even our discussion time. I won't even consider them noteworthy until they issue an apology.

He appears to read documents before he signs them, which gives him an edge over the other two. Not a ringing endorsement but it's all we've got.

I also voted Starmer & Burgon, although that was before I received an email declining my membership due to “being a member of the Women’s Equality Party” (I’m not, I specifically emailed Labour to say I was leaving WEP to join them) so I’ve no idea if my vote still counted or not.

When is the deputy announced?

Laura Pidcock, who would have been Momentum's candidate is one of the few people in the Labour Party who has had time for the GC argument

Don't care. Being "gender critical" isn't top trumps. Momentum is dangerous.

When is the deputy announced?

It has - Angela Rayner.

Even if he is full on TWAW, he has not signed up to the #nodebate lunacy.

I don't care if people have different opinions but Nandy and Long Bailey do, they want to shut opponents up and push them out.

It is their lack of respect for free speech that puts them completely beyond the pale.