Keir Starmer wins Labour leadership

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Well, it's the least worst option.

Hopefully Long-Bailey and Nandy will bog off to their TRA mates and stay there now. (Although I wonder if they will be dropped like hot stones now their usefulness has expired?)

Be interesting to see how/if/when/why Starmer addresses women's rights in the coming months and years.

Just noticed there's a piece in the Times today about women who may rise under the new leadership.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labours-women-will-rise-again-under-sir-keir-pw03x3qkz?shareToken=d40aa59b8654e6623b031921af8c85a1

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

I think it says a lot about how you regard politics that you think feminists would rather have anyone from their identity group in power, even if they pursue policies against women's interest.

It's bad that there has never been a female labour leader, but having the best person is the most important criteria. Perfectly possible to have both, which makes it a crying shame there were no credible women up for election.

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

What is up with this ‘folk’ thing? It’s so toe-curlingly... folksy.

And I'd hazard a guess that the measly 10% of the vote that Dawn Butler received in the deputy leadership contest

What? A whole 10%?! Jesus.

Angela Rayner I find it very unpleasant that some of my sisters are often questioned on their gender, the very thing that many women can take for granted. It is also offensive that my feminism is questioned because I stand for ALL women’s rights including my trans sisters

Utter twit.

The webchat should not be forgotten;
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1246375361098678272.html?

I called Rayner a credulous ideologue on another thread and was asked if I cared to elaborate...

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

The only women available to choose from were cringily awful, as well as throwing women and girls under the bus as trans ideologues.

Starmer is at least a credible leader of the opposition. I find it bizarre that you think we can do without one at the moment.

Anyone calling anyone 'sister' without a blood relationship and then starting on the gender tripe tells you all you really need to know about them. Leave, fast, before the 'comrades' and 'we'll keep the pink/blue/brown/whatever's fashionable this week flag flying' starts.

I think Momentum are on their way out, along with their crazy and deeply offensive policies. Keir is far too nuanced and clever a politician to publicise the fact, but I think we're about to see a big shift back towards common sense and basic truth and decency within Labour.

I think you're right. The NEC elections appear to have rejected the Momentum candidates, too.

Starmer was pretty shit in the campaign, parroting the trans rights are human rights line

Well, so they are No more, no less. I don't know anyone who claims that trans people are non-human.

@weetabix great use of ad hominem there

I've seen rumours on Twitter that Jo Stevens is in line for Foreign Secretary and according to the TWAW lot she is gasp a TERF. Their "proof" is a well reasoned letter she wrote back to a constituent explaining why she wouldn't sign the Trans Rights pledge.

BuzzshitbagBobbly - "Glancing over RLB and LN's concession tweets, I am not seeing any blue/pink flags, anime avatars or usual suspect trans extremist profiles commenting."

I don't know where the Twitter threads are so can't check them but have you tried viewing them while logged out of Twitter? We are probably all on block-lists that hide comments by the most rabid furries and anime types.

Hornets - "I did vote KS for leader and Richard Burgon for deputy as he was the only other candidate not to sign the LCTR pledge."

Me too. Compared to the alternatives, in the words of Douglas Adams "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" - "relatively harmless".

Gutted that the twerp Angela Rayner is in as Deputy - complete waste of space. The only silver lining is that she is such a loon that if the population should need any more proof that transgenderism is an insane ideology then she can probably be relied upon to provide it.

The NEC Elections were important but were given little press attention, before and now. I didn't get who I voted for but the results are an encouraging shift of the balance of power away from the authoritarian hard left (they are called "hard" for good reason).

Etiquette demands that Long-Bailey and Nandy will be given positions where they can throw their weight about. Starmer will need to get a mite harder himself if he is going to make any significant difference to the toxic culture within Labour.

An inquiry into all the members summarily ejected without the right of appeal - most, it seems, people who voted for KS but whose votes will be discounted - is needed or, less damagingly, a quiet reversal of clearly political decisions, based on allegations without evidence, that interfered with the election results.

If I do not see significant changes in the next 12 months then I am off, after a lifetime's membership, activism and practical support. Maybe test the waters in a few months time with a motion to CLP?

The Unions are still a big problem. It defies all reason how they have been captured by the trans lobby but there is no denying that they have.

(Archived version of that excellent Resisters thread about Starmer's poor showing during the Mumsnet webchat with a call for him to meet with women: archive.is/ebScy )

It was sad to see a whole line-up of women competing to be leader or deputy, and having to hope that none of them won.

I still don't know who I would vote for in an election. The Greens are even more misogynistic than Labour, and the Women's Equality Party supports self-ID. The Tories are the least batshit about gender, but too harmful in other ways.

Yes finally some with the education and common sense to take on bojo the clown I know lot of my colleagues at the charity I work for are disappointed I just hope the agenda of trans rights doesn’t disappear but becomes less extreme

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

See, and that's the problem. Utterly meaningless sentence as you can't define hate, trans folk, or man.

And I'm having doubts about 'bizarre.'

Trans folk mean there’s who identify as trans seriously even my 5 year old son gets it Im starting to think transphobic people are thick as well at bigoted

Fabulous! Any more definitions for us?

Man?
Woman?
Bigot?

She sounds perfectly sane to me

I'd rather some one who wasn't a gullible fool leading the Labour party. If that's a man, so be it. Nandy promised so much and then she showed her true gullible colours.

Farkin' hilarious how one minute feminists hate all and every man...

And then exceedingly mild relief at Keir Starmer's election and we're not nearly feminist enough.

I could say something about unreasonable expectations, but I think I might just blow a big raspberry at the arseholes who police the women here.

She made it clear that Keir Starmer didn't sign the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights pledge because of the "expelling Labour members" part and because that they (I'm assuming the KS team) "didn't know who they were or where they had come from". That's why he signed the Labour LGBT pledge instead because they are a known affiliated group.

I asked her what would KS do if he became leader - would he deal with the current situation in the LP because it was upsetting a lot of people. She told me that KS was very aware of the current situation as it had "come up a lot" in their canvassing. I think he and his team know this issue isn't going to go away and something needs to be done.

Twitter comment from the 'autonomous campaign of trans and non-binary Labour members fighting for trans rights and liberation':
twitter.com/Labour_Trans/status/1246456503818760192

Resisisters United UK Ireland comment:

"Congratulations to Sir Keir Starmer on being elected leader of the Labour party. For those who want to know his views on the rights of women and children, here are some screenshots from his most recent webchat on Mumsnet... (continues)

So @ Keir_Starmer will you hold out an olive branch and meet with women? We have been waiting a long time. Will you purge your party of the anti-women attitudes and behaviours that have plagued your party?
Will you show some respect to 51% of the population? We are waiting........ "

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1246375361098678272.html

I am delighted that Keir won with such an utterly clear mandate.
He no longer needs to bite his tongue around the old guard

popcorn is ready

He is the least awful, but I thought he was such a weasel on the mumsnet web chat

He does come across as a bit of weasel...in the way that lawyers tend to. Relentless equivocation; no firm principles apart from pleasing the crowd. If he thinks the crowd is GC, then that is what he'll do.
There is a certain amorality about lawyers, in general - certainly in their practice...as a result of the nature of their job. They'll argue black is white as the day is long, if necessary.

Justhadathought - " If he thinks the crowd is GC, then that is what he'll do."

What is reassuring is that the crowd that he has an eye on is the electorate, which is the only crowd that matters for a Political Party worthy of the name. The trans lobby may have wheedled their way along the corridors of power but the electorate is overwhelmingly GC.

The danger is that the next generations of voters are being brainwashed at all stages of the education system. Changing that is in the gift of the Tories. They would probably dig their toes in as a matter of principle if there was a push from Labour to have a rethink.

If the Tories were to drift away from the madness, and they are facing in the right direction now they have turned their backs on the GRA, then my guess is that Starmer would have enough political nous to rein in the likes of Rapists"R"Us Nandy.

The dream scenario would be a Coalition of Common Sense. For the moment though, while Starmer is the best result for Labour and does need more work, it is still the Tories who hold the keys to freeing our kids from a future of pseudo-scientific indoctrination.