Keir Starmer wins Labour leadership

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Well, it's the least worst option.

Hopefully Long-Bailey and Nandy will bog off to their TRA mates and stay there now. (Although I wonder if they will be dropped like hot stones now their usefulness has expired?)

Be interesting to see how/if/when/why Starmer addresses women's rights in the coming months and years.

It has - Angela Rayner.
Oh! Just shows how unimportant that really is, it’s made literally zero of the news flash notifications/radio news bulletins that I’ve heard to announce this so far

I agree zanahoria and it was this reason that ultimately made me choose KS as I couldn't trust the other two with anything they said.

To see Nandy and Long Bailey so willingly sign up to something that would actually expel Labour members for what? A matter of opinion? And claiming that two perfectly legitimate organisations are hate groups for me went further than it just being about if they believed TWAW.

It showed me that they would sign something at a drop of a hat because it looked good to their supporters. They didn't do any research as to whether the claims about WPUK and LGB Alliance were true. And when these things were pointed out they tried to row back and make excuses to hide their complete and utter incompetence and ignorance.

This is not what I want in a leader of the opposition let alone a potential Prime Minister.

At least Keir Starmer is someone who actually reads the bloody thing before he signs it.

I don’t think Starmer genuinely gives a flying fuck about extending gender legislation, and CV gives him the perfect excuse to let the whole issue moulder away in the corner. He just mumbled non-commitally during the campaign so that the TRAs didn’t seize on it and rip him apart. Gender issues are not going to be anywhere near the top of anyone sensible’s agenda for the foreseeable future. It’s one of the very few good things to come out of the whole crisis.

Dawn Butler came last in the deputy contest.

Sad.

The way I see it is that two of the candidates had promised to purge members who believed in biological science or discussing womens rights. If either had won TRAs would be jubilant about kicking TERFs out the Labour Party.

I am very glad they did not win.

Yes, I will be horrified to see Nandy and Long Bailey on the front bench

They'll definitely get cabinet positions.

You've got just as much to be concerned about - re self ID - with Angela Raynor as deputy......

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She made it clear that Keir Starmer didn't sign the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights pledge because of the "expelling Labour members" part and because that they (I'm assuming the KS team) "didn't know who they were or where they had come from". That's why he signed the Labour LGBT pledge instead because they are a known affiliated group^

plain common sense but the others lacked it

Dawn Butler came last in the deputy contest

Sad

Gutted that Raynor is deputy - she is full on TWAW.

I asked her what would KS do if he became leader - would he deal with the current situation in the LP because it was upsetting a lot of people. She told me that KS was very aware of the current situation as it had "come up a lot" in their canvassing. I think he and his team know this issue isn't going to go away and something needs to be done

what needs to be done is to educate himself, and his team, on the issue........and that means a proper, well rounded education. He needs to take up the opportunities presented last year, that none of the candidates then took up, to meet with WPUK and hear the concerns of women's groups around the issue of Self ID.

There is a real difference in tone between a political leader who thinks leadership means imposing all his own views on the party, and one who has views but sees the job largely as representing the views of the party members, or even to some extent the electorate. In the latter case it's possible for the leader to have a view you disagree with but some integrity about their role.

KS was very aware of the current situation

So he bloody should be but let’s see if he will actually do anything about it. Suspect that if he really weeded out the actively hateful people in the Labour Party at the moment they’d be very few left.

Sorry, my last comment wasn’t meant to be a slur on Labour Party members per se . Just a reference to the growing number of people who seem to feed off hating others. It’s not confined to the Labour Party!

Raynor is thick as mince.

He is the least awful, but I thought he was such a weasel on the mumsnet web chat. Also all the guff about how terribly persecuted trans people are, when there have been more women killed in Britain since lockdown, than trans people killed in the last decade.

Best result based on the options but we'll have to wait and see. I used to like and respect KS but the recent gender debates have certainly changed my view of him.

there have been more women killed in Britain since lockdown, than trans people killed in the last decade

Wow when you put it like that.

I'm pretty pleased with that. I think Momentum are on their way out, along with their crazy and deeply offensive policies. Keir is far too nuanced and clever a politician to publicise the fact, but I think we're about to see a big shift back towards common sense and basic truth and decency within Labour. About time, too.

Hopefully the grownups will regain ground in the Labour Party now - I've never been a supporter or voter but we need a sensible opposition party, especially in these times.

Identity politics is a compete and utter privileged irrelevance.

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

What is a man?

Try harder Walk

It's the politics, go look at how appallingly trans people are treated by this political lobby when they dare say their needs and feelings aren't met by the orthodoxy. Recent example on MN: the 'ally' was far more vicious to the trans poster than I'd ever seen to GC women.

Are you ok with that? Because I'm not.

Men aren't automatically bad
Women aren't automatically good
Black and white rigid thinking generally not a great idea

Has he identified himself as a man though?!

This is good news. Starmer was pretty shit in the campaign, parroting the trans rights are human rights line, but I doubt he actually believes it. His first job will be to get rid of the Corbynites and anti-Semites. Hopefully then he'll be in a stronger position to drop all the stuff about GRA reform.

The fact that Nandy got such a tiny portion of the final vote suggests that Labour Party members were unimpressed by her passionate commitment to putting men convicted of raping children into women's prisons.

And I'd hazard a guess that the measly 10% of the vote that Dawn Butler received in the deputy leadership contest was at least partly down to her various nonsensical beliefs about gender, such as the majority of male giraffes being homosexual.

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

I don't hate trans people. I don't hate men either. I don't hate anyone.
What I don't want is a labour leader who promotes hate and bigotry, like someone who will sign a pledge that demonises women without even reading it.
That's why I voted Keir and why I'm pleased he won.

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

Didn't take long for the lies and misrepresentation of facts to start. I guess the Monitors have set off the klaxon again.

Anyway, how do you know for sure KS is a man? Has he personally told you his pronouns today, or are you committing literal violence by assuming?