Keir Starmer wins Labour leadership

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Well, it's the least worst option.

Hopefully Long-Bailey and Nandy will bog off to their TRA mates and stay there now. (Although I wonder if they will be dropped like hot stones now their usefulness has expired?)

Be interesting to see how/if/when/why Starmer addresses women's rights in the coming months and years.

I don’t know much about Thangam Debbonaire. From what I’ve briefly read she looks like she may be our best bet. Is her concern over the mob recorded in print or was it known from people at the conference?

TBH, I would be surprised if Stammer even recollects the TWAW debate. Right now, we have people dying and a Government determined to stick to the (bonkers) Brexit deadline. That's two crisis, plus a global recession, to manage.

Scotland quietly dropped the GRA legislation due to Covid-19. I think Westminster will bury it in the same way.

One thing I will take at face value is Stammer's desire to be elected. The next four years is going to be car crash economics and the electorate will not take kindly to debates on the reality of womenhood and "let's be kind", when they are struggling to pit food on the table.

TheABC - Do you seriously think he will be allowed to forget the "TWAW debate" by the Self-ID fanatics and hate-mongers in the Party who suckered all the other Leadership candidates into signing the "Pledge"??

Mole
Keir is a lawyer who has done very well for himself by twisting the words of others to win cases and influence people.
He will not be swayed by the TWAW brigade as he will see the holes in their arguments.
The size of his win gives him the mandate to pick which policies matter to voters rather than activists.

TheABC- Do you seriously think he will beallowedto forget the "TWAW debate" by the Self-ID fanatics and hate-mongers in the Party who suckered all the other Leadership candidates into signing the "Pledge"??

I think they're definitely going to keep banging on at him but I think he's just going to ignore them as far as possible, and if asked directly will probably say something vague.
I'm very pleased with his shadow cabinet and the first few days so far. Perhaps I'll be disappointed but he strikes me as fairly savvy. Self-id is simply not a vote winner.

ListeningQuietly and JustTurtles - I agree to an extent. It's not quite that simple as that though as it is not just the GRA, it is a party issue.

There are women with appeals still outstanding against being suspended and others who had their membership rejected on spurious grounds. All Women Shortlists for anyone who Self-Identifies as a woman, etc.

There is the problem with anti-semitism that he has said he will sort out. If he manages that then it will no longer be the party for a hotch-potch of middle-class, white, misogynistic, hard-left, woke anti-semites - but the other factors that alienate traditional labour voters and women who have not been brainwashed will remain.

Interesting post that was forwarded to me about why a human rights lawyer was happy about Starmer being voted in:

"When he was head of the CPS he did a comprehensive review of how rape was being prosecuted. We had sued the former DPP on behalf of a rape victim. The case had settled but as part of the review he looked at former cases and he invited her to speak to him. For an hour, he listened to her share her disappointment with how the CPS handled her case. He personally apologised - and then he fixed it. Her main upset (with the CPS) was that she had never met the prosecutor, so on the day of trial she was questioned by two strangers, not one. The fact that there are in-house rape prosecutors? That was Keir listening to our client. The fact that victims have the right to meet them before trial? That was Keir listening to our client.

It didn’t stop there. He called in all of the lawyers who, like us, had brought cases against the CPS. For three hours we outlined all the problems we had encountered. He had similar meetings with judges, defendant lawyers and mental health experts. And he listened. And then he made changes. Is the system he implemented perfect? No. But it’s better than it was. And while many of those changes were dismantled by the next DPP, what stays with me is that he listened. And acted."

From what I know he did good things for women when he was DPP. I wanted him to run for the leadership race before. But have become disillusioned by both the party and him.

In the Robinson interview (early 2018), Starmer give Theresa May credit for her work around VAWG. I hope his concern with this issue is genuine.

Interesting polling here of Labour members that was commissioned by RLB but not released during the campaign.

docs.cdn.yougov.com/m3og65nsmm/RLB_LabMembers_Feb20.pdf

Very big gender gap in Lisa Nandy's support - sure this will have been noted by the actual winner of the contest.

It would appear that on anti semitism he has exploited lockdown to make Labour HQ go through its files and report back to him fully within days
hopefully he will do the same for Women next week ;-)

Thangam Debbonaire is one of those genuine, hard working MPs who does her utmost for her constituents. She is very well liked and respected.

Did Starmer close down an inquiry into Jimmy Seville?

No, the Jimmy Savile thing is from a Fake News alt right website. The same sort of people who told us coronavirus was a hoax.

Thank you JudyCoolibar - that's very reassuring!

Those survey results are interesting HPFA. I wonder if that "Gender Gap" for Nandy has anything to do with her prioritising the feelings of men (rapists in this instance) over the safety of women (prisoners)?

First question:

"Which of the following candidates do you think... (Please tick all that apply) Is in touch with the concerns of ordinary people?"

Lisa Nandy
59% Male
45% Female

Keir Starmer
44 % Male
43% Female

Rebecca Long-Bailey
49% Male
52% Female

(Lots more questions than in Screenshot - gritting teeth that Male and Female are thought by YouGov to be "Genders").

I am hopeless at statistics - can anyone advise if those differences are statistically significant?

It sounds that he knows a lot about the ways in which men abuse women.

Enough to spot the patterns in his party members?

This thread is leaving me quite hopeful about him. Yeah he hasn't stood up for women on this issue, but considering the utter state of the Labour party it would have been a mistake from a pragmatic perspective to do so. Someone who's pragmatic and actually cares about women is the right person for this job. Signs seem pretty good that he actually cares. I really like that he was effective in getting reforms through as DPP - he probably didn't stomp around being all fiery about that, and he was probably more effective for it.

I am hopeless at statistics - can anyone advise if those differences are statistically significant?

stripping away some pedantic layers of complexity from your question, making a few reasonable assumptions and just eyeballing it - Long-Bailey's lead over Nandy/Starmer among women looks significant, Nandy's lead over Starmer/Long-Bailey among men also significant.

Nandy's gender gap also definitely would be in the realms of significant and I agree that it's interesting.

Other differences, probably not.

Thank you Kantastic - that is very helpful to know.

(I have no idea what "pedantic layers of complexity" you discern in the question, "I am hopeless at statistics - can anyone advise if those differences are statistically significant?" )

Oh I certainly wasn't accusing you of pedantry, it's just that properly you'd have to do a lot of statistical pedantry to answer that, such as defining exactly which differences between which numbers are encompassed in "those differences" and finding out sample sizes, and I just wanted to acknowledge that before skipping it!

Just leaving this here.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-labour-trans-rights-transphobia-expel-me-a9461286.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1586719492

That Independent piece is written by well-known TRA notCursedE. If you look at their outpourings on twitter you'll see all the familiar stuff.

The Indie piece is hilarious. "Keir Starmer didn't stand up for trans people so I'm not joining the Labour Party!" I bet Starmer is absolutely devastated. How, in the first eight days of becoming leader during a period of global crisis Starmer neglected to say something about trans people is just beyond me.

It does have a deluded tone.

Thangham is an excellent, hard-working, MP.
But I don't think that the one tweet that she made, criticising what happened in Bournemouth, is grounds to make her an ally for GC women.
It's just that she was the ONLY Labour MP to do this. And one of Angela Rayner's staff was part of the mob.

Lol. Well, like many other women, I did join Labour this year. Time for us leftie women to take our party back from misogynists. Guess that's one more misogynist we won't have to worry about in the party.