Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

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I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

I wonder if context is important? By definition, you'd only have an issue with one person/group while queueing to enter the supermarket while you'd have more encounters when you finally make it inside, especially if the supermarket allowed too many people in at once.

Personally, I've only been shopping twice since they introduced limited numbers at the supermarket and, on both occasions, I too had to get a trolley while waiting. Neither resulted in misunderstandings causing me to lose my place in the queue.

The market I went to solved that problem by repositioning carts by the door, with a person wiping them down between uses and squirting hand sanitizer for each person on their way in before they grab one.

Oh my people I have found you. Actually I'm usually here.

Like you Sarah, I've had enough. It is so sickening though, once the scales fall from your eyes, you can never again unsee what is all around you. And really, this lockdown has brought it home even more.

My daily run, which I do early to keep me sane though the day of homeschooling, minding the children, minding the business online, minding the money now the business is closed, etc etc, and my only respite is ruined by selfish men running towards me, totally ignoring the 2m rule - I agree men do not know how long a metre is - and me ending up running into foxholes on the side of the path as I swerve to avoid collision. And never so much as a backwards glance or apology.

Also sad that so many women only come on here to berate us for noticing that the patriarchy has been maintained by men not being nice - and that is me saying it in the kindest possible way.

What actually happened, post now deleted, someone implied that, because of my initial post, (which might have been one of the first sharing a different opinion to the opening post) I am a man. Someone else, who happens to have a functioning brain, pointed out that it would be very unlikely.

OP has had some very unpleasant experiences and they were all coming from men. Others had similar experiences but theirs were coming from women. Others had no such experiences. Others had experiences like these from both men and women.
Just because this in the feminism chat, it doesn’t mean we can’t share our own experiences and join the discussion.
As it happens, I didn’t even realise this was under Feminism. But it should make no difference to being able to share a similar experience/observation and even a point of view however different that might be from the main consensus.

Several posters here clearly think men are selfish, incompetent idiots...

See how you missed out the word "some"?

Is it Straw-man visibility day?

I haven't noticed this but the 2 people breathing down my neck at a supermarket with lines on were both men aged 50- 65.

I haven't noticed this but the 2 people breathing down my neck at a supermarket with lines on were both men aged 50- 65.

Well then you have noticed it!

So exciting getting all these emails from Mumsnet saying "you have been mentioned in a post"..

Is everybody on this thread over tired?

I think we all need to carry one of those can airhorns when we're out shopping or exercising and use it after a warning cry of "Back off!" when encroachers reach the 2m mark and don't look like stopping.

That will fix it!

I'm kind of enjoying the fact that life is so fucking nuts right now that a thread on men in supermarkets on FWR is an absolute flashpoint of over tired bickering.

I think it's my second favourite thing after random people dressed in T-Rex costumes for their daily exercise.

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Several posters here clearly think men are selfish, incompetent idiots...

See how you missed out the word "some"?

Is it Straw-man visibility day?

Hyperbole for effect. (A concept which I've noticed many posters on FWR seem to struggle with)

My justification being the posters throwing objections to NAMALT in. If NAMALT is going to be used I'll do the same

* ..*T-Rex costumes for their daily exercise..

A Marc Bolan lookalike just jogged past our house!

Weird..

I have definitely noticed this! Went to sainsburies yesterday and it was all men, all standing in the middle of the fucking aisle staring at the tuna for about 20 minutes. Now i cant get passed them.

They are wandering around like lost souls!

Also men who are too cool for school pretending they dont care about queuing. Slowly sauntering forwards, not standing on the 2m lines like everyone else

And male runners who were already entitled fuckers seem to be even more entitled, they know i need to be 2ms away from them now.

And to buck the trend my nigel has been behaving like an absolute wally with the shopping. For some unknown reason he cant seem to make any fucking decision on what food to buy, deepite the fact hes been feeding himself for 10 yrs hes suddenly completely thrown by bread

We have a stormtrooper round our way. Although it's not a new thing, he's been around for years.

Im thinking of wearing some kind of wing to keep people away. Like an angel of the north costume sticking out 2ms.

I have observed women and men previously not giving others space. The difference is that with women it is down to distraction / day dreaming, which is the same for most men, but there have definitely been men who have walked or cycled directly through the middle of paths knowing they have physical height & strength to dominate the space.

It is the purposeful domination of pushing in that annoys me.

Ok. If people think NAMALT is actually a logical fallacy just because someone invokes it, they don't understand logical fallacies.

You can make a true observation about class, and someone saying "not all" may be irrelevant (unless you are generalising to all members of the class which would be bigoted.)

But it's not at all irrelevant for people to say, actually, no, I don't think your generalisation about the class is correct at all. And pretty much when you are talking about limited numbers of personal experiences by individuals like this, it's very diffiult to make accurate observations. There is a reason the collection of data requires significant numbers of observations. And it's also the case the that individuals making observations like this are often not accurate if you compare them to more objective data collection. That's not something against people's experiences, it's just the nature of observation. Anyone who has ever objected to some jerk saying women are bad drivers should understand why perception in these instances can be unreliable.

There is a ton of nasty implications going on. Men following their wives because they are controlling? Maybe their wives don't drive, or wanted company, or help with the bags, or they have other errands to run, or they are going stir-crazy. Men on the phone - maybe they don't usually shop and want to make sure they get the right things so they don't have to go back. Maybe their wives will berate them if they get it wrong. Who knows.

But feminism is not about unquestionably accepting that every negative generalisation that women make about men must be correct. And yes, that kind of approach is going to convince a lot of women that it's just stupid.

But it's not at all irrelevant for people to say, actually, no, I don't think your generalisation about the class is correct at all. And pretty much when you are talking about limited numbers of personal experiences by individuals like this, it's very diffiult to make accurate observations

That's the point I was trying to make. This is a thread based on personal anecdote but some personal anecdotes are more equal than others.

Chucking in complaints of NAMALT because the lesser personal anecdotes don't suit one's agenda doesn't strike me as a coherent argument.

NAMALT isn't a logical fallacy.

NAMALT is an incredibly tedious repeated meme that people of either sex who get sniffy about feminism for whatever reason like to say to undermine any discussion feminists wish to have where men may actually need to be critiqued.

It's basically a way of saying "Stop making such a fuss/you've never 'ad it so good/I don't understand the value of discussing if there is a prevailing tendency among a sex class"

Basically, I think anyone who needs to remind women that NAMALT hasn't really grasped the basis of the conversation. But, you know, Not All Misunderstanders Are Like That. Wouldn't want to generalize for the purposes of discussion. Specially not as a naughty feminist woman who must make sure I'm entirely winsome all the time.

@Annasgirl I have found your experience while running is EXACTLY the same as when I run, lost count of the amount of times I have practically had to jump into a bush or run into the road cos of selfish twats

Although I have been a runner for ages and they were the same before the corona shit although theres more of the fuckers about now

@Balhammom It was two men last week. And four men yesterday.

So five. It is simply MY experience And when FIVE of them have done it i think i have a right to say that its always been men in this unprecedented lockdown.

See i could take the piss if i wanted. DH is 70 and im 46 so i could use the priority shopping hour. But i dont because im not a pensioner myself.

Sorry SIX of them. Im a bit tired.

We have a stormtrooper round our way

Oh that’s awesome...in costume I’m hoping

We had some stormtroopers come in the shop where i worked...i was so excited!

From the number of testimonies on this thread I am shocked at the number of you going out frequently and for so long.

You'd never believe there was a lockdown in place would you?