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Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

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HeIenaDove · 03/04/2020 20:32

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

OP posts:
Datun · 07/04/2020 11:46

Wow R0 that's stirring stuff.

FloralBunting · 07/04/2020 11:52

Isn't it just.

Perhaps feminism doesn't need a sanitized rebrand just yet after all.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 11:55

Here are some of the speeches.
Its good to be stirred (not just from slumber!)

Kiri Tunks at Women's Liberation 2020 (1 February 2020)

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 11:57

Julie Bindel at Women's Liberation 2020 (1 February 2020)

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 11:58

Maya Forstater at Women's Liberation 2020 (1 February 2020)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/04/2020 11:58

I can't say that I really much care whether or not specific individuals who get huffy in the face of class analysis "identify" as feminists or not. This is not unrelated to the fact that I think "identify as" as a concept is bollocks in general.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 11:59

Pragna Patel at Women's Liberation 2020 (1 February 2020)

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 11:59

Joan McAlpine MSP at Women's Liberation 2020 (1 February 2020)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/04/2020 12:00

I don't think I've ever heard Pragna Patel say anything that wasn't worth giving serious consideration to.

(Is a bit of a fangirl)

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 12:01

Brad Blitz welcomes Women's Liberation 2020 (1 February 2020)
(As Head of the Department of Education Practice and Society at UCL Institute of Education, he welcomed Women's Liberation 2020 on behalf of the University.)

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 12:02

I don't think I've ever heard Pragna Patel say anything that wasn't worth giving serious consideration to.

Yes.
It was a brilliant speech.
Important

Justhadathought · 07/04/2020 12:10

It's obvious that I'm new to all this. And my first foray onto the feminism board was not my finest hour. I am not well educated, or particularly articulate. I just wanted to say that your posts this morning are exactly what I would want to say and exactly how I feel. Thank you 👏👏👏👏

You are welcome!

Anger is not the destination, in my book, even though it does tend to be an inevitable stage on the journey. It is not a good place in which to get stuck.

Obviously I'm speaking as a relatively privileged westerner with full civil and legal rights. I might feel very differently if I lived in India or in Saudi Arabia, for example ( although I can still feel the primal rage from a distance) where 'patriarchy' is a very real & meaningful thing.

But getting angry about some insensitive men in supermarket queues, and then using that to generalise about all men, and then turning that into a form of feminine virtue. No thanks!

Gronky · 07/04/2020 12:18

There’s a hiccup in the heroism of sisterhood in 1979 when Margaret Thatcher became the country’s first female prime minister

Personally, I consider her accomplishment even greater than it would have been for a female Labour leader (still waiting). Her rise to the leadership demonstrated equal parts of confidence and brilliance.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 12:24

Obviously I'm speaking as a relatively privileged westerner with full civil and legal rights. I might feel very differently if I lived in India or in Saudi Arabia, for example ( although I can still feel the primal rage from a distance) where 'patriarchy' is a very real & meaningful thing

I recommend Pregna Patel's speech (linked above)

TinselAngel · 07/04/2020 13:24

Slightly in the horrors about Bewilderness being lectured about feminism on here TBH. Shock

Goosefoot · 07/04/2020 13:53

Well you brought it up goose as an analogy and it's a shit one.

Somehow I thought people would apply it to the actual topic of discussion - I didn't really think about it that much, I just picked something else people had been talking about.

Clearly all we know about this question are people's personal, limited impressions.

Goosefoot · 07/04/2020 14:05

I can't say that I really much care whether or not specific individuals who get huffy in the face of class analysis "identify" as feminists or not. This is not unrelated to the fact that I think "identify as" as a concept is bollocks in general.

But no one is huffy about class analysis.

Class analysis actually has to be based on material reality. That's basic, it's fundamental. Without a good sense of the material reality there can be no class analysis, and it's not always easy to determine that.

Trying to figure out what is true or not at that level is an essential component of class analysis, not a repudiation of it.

If people don't understand that they don't understand class analysis.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 15:03

Slightly in the horrors about Bewilderness being lectured about feminism on here TBH.

Yes I found that shocking too Tinsel
Interesting also.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 07/04/2020 15:42

We’ve seen strong, intelligent feminists having a group of people constantly criticise them before, but I’m sure that no one would try to goad them into an angry response, in order to get them banned. Absolutely never ever happens on here, sure it doesn’t?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 07/04/2020 16:55

My mum and dad have just phoned. They are late 70s/early 80s, both significant health problems.

Elderly neighbour just knocked to ask for help as her phone has gone wrong. Mum trying to talk to her on the doorstep but neighbour, a bit cantankerous anyway, yelled at mum that she couldn't hear her and barged into mum and dad's house.

God, women just barging into vulnerable people's homes and not obeying social distancing.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 17:02

Cantankerous people being oblivious to other people's needs or boundaries Hearhooves?

Its never surprising.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 07/04/2020 17:04

Well, I thought we were extrapolating our one experience and applying it to a whole sex?

Guyonhere1 · 07/04/2020 17:05

Cba to read all 18 pages, but how can OP pinpoint men. Surely it’s both genders. Shocking that.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 07/04/2020 17:06

Oh look, a man has appeared to tell the women that they’re wrong, even though he has read none of the thread. That’s so unusual.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 17:07

We’ve seen strong, intelligent feminists having a group of people constantly criticise them before, but I’m sure that no one would try to goad them into an angry response, in order to get them banned. Absolutely never ever happens on here, sure it doesn’t?

Bewilderness is often targetted.

It seems some people really dont want to allow discussion & awareness of those 'Rules of Misogyny'

trollbusterxtra.wordpress.com/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3236421-so-these-ere-rules-of-misogyny