Mermaids is encouraging children to hide online searches from their parents

[jadefinch]

Surely this is a child safeguarding breach and is an example of child grooming?

The trans children charity Mermaids has created a button on its desktop website so that children can immediately jump to another web site if a parent comes into the room, presumably while either looking at Mermaids material or talking to someone at the charity, so they can lie to their parents that they were actually doing something else.

They've created this because more children are home at the moment during the coronavirus pandemic.

The charity has received further criticism in the last few days for not playing what could be an important role during COVID-19:

• They should be telling transboys to ditch their binders until this is over - the binders constrict the chest and lead to breathing difficulties, something that's potentially fatal during a pandemic where the virus targets the lungs; but Mermaids have refused to do this.
• They should be telling all young trans people to stay away from hospitals unless there's an emergency as non-essential treatment increases the risk of spreading the virus at the moment; Mermaids has not done this.
• They have instead asked people to buy more food on Amazon and set Mermaids up as the charity to donate a percentage of the money spent to - ignoring all charities concerned with NHS staff or the elderly that desperate need cash injections at the moment.

Owen Jones has accused Janice Turner of bigotry for pointing out that this is a tactic deployed by child groomers
As I recall, Owen Jones also described as bigotry any disquiet over the behaviour of NSPCCs very own rubber man.

Ha ha R0wan beat me as always!

Which is not what Mermaids do, or what they encourage the relevant NHS services to do. They have rather notably clashed with the Tavistock over their belief that any sort of investigation rather than automatic affirmation and commencement of treatment is transphobic.

I realize that having the fundamental selfishness of your position pointed out may sting a bit, but unfortunately that doesn't mean that the person doing so is wrong.

the number of GNC children who think they may be trans in a school in Brighton is not the same as the number as those diagnosed and treated

This is meaningless in terms of what mermaids are doing. They're not saying they only support people who have had a diagnosis. (Which, according to the criteria, the tick list, almost anyone could have).

Transgender ideology is been promoted in school. Now 76 children in one school think they are trans. Mermaids is telling them it's fine to keep secrets from their parents.

Where is the list from mermaids that details exactly what kind of parents they are referring to??

I cannot believe that anyone would even be arguing the toss over this.

I cannot believe that anyone would even be arguing the toss over this.

I can. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Mermaids is targeting children, many of who have other issues such as autism or mental health issues, some are being bullied for being GNC or are victims of grooming.

Which is why like in many areas of medicine it is likely that a good percentage of those referred will see no more than assessment and discharge from GIDS back to their GP. If you know of grooming though, please report it to those who can investigate.

No, the above is a suggestion to investigate those that make the claim or present with the symptoms to a medical professional .

NHS England guidelines for children who present with possible 'gender identity' issue:
www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/gender-development-service-children-adolescents.pdf

In UK, the 'Memorandum of Understanding' limits the scope of medical professionals' interventions with children whose confusion/distress is associated with 'gender identity'

2017 Transgender Trend:
'Children Left Unprotected By New Memorandum Of Understanding On Conversion Therapy'
(extract)
"Of course, we support the original Memorandum of Understanding on Conversion Therapy which outlaws attempts to change a person’s sexual orientation. But ‘gender identity’ should not be conflated with sexual orientation as if the two things are essentially the same issue. For gender dysphoria, the choice of approach is between ‘affirmation’ and ‘watchful waiting’ but its inclusion in the Memorandum suggests that the watchful waiting approach could be considered to be conversion therapy if a child subsequently desists.

What it means is that for a health practitioner to offer any therapeutic support or exploration of underlying factors, motives or reasons for a cross-sex identity in childhood they are now taking a professional risk. Instead, a practitioner must confirm and therefore reinforce a child’s belief that they really are the opposite sex. If a boy thinks he’s a girl, he’s a girl. If a girl believes herself to be a boy, she’s a boy, no questions allowed.

No concession is given to children and young people whose identities are in development and highly susceptible to influence from parents, peers and professionals as well as an increasingly powerful transgender lobby. ‘Affirmation’ is not a neutral approach, it is a strong statement of belief that a girl can be born in a boy’s body and vice versa. No practitioner should be imposing false and non-scientific beliefs on a child or young person or knowingly mislead them about reality." (continues)
www.transgendertrend.com/children-left-unprotected-by-new-memorandum-of-understanding-on-conversion-therapy/

We're not talking about GIDS. We're talking about mermaids! GIDS aren't telling children to isolate themselves from their parents.

Can you imagine?

When misdirection is attempted there's usually a reason for that.

Arguing the toss over fundamental safeguarding and health issues for vulnerable children is precisely what those targeting children do.
Alienate from families, isolate them, feed their fantasies and lo and behold - a vulnerable and isolated child with no family back up. All available research details the appalling negative consequences for children (social, academic, health and emotional wellbeing). We have a multitude of data about the impact on children living apart from their parents - and they're all negative.
Yet this ideology actively advocates this in the face of all available evidence.

Mermaids do not work from a basis informed by child development or Safeguarding knowledge.

This is the key point here. Mermaids are a trans lobby group. There is a conflict of interest with child safeguarding.

If you know of grooming though, please report it to those who can investigate.

Oh this is hilarious. Monro Bergdorf encouraged children to contact them secretly. The person who employed Munro wanked off at work in a rubber suit and uploaded a film of it onto social media.

Both these things happened at the NSPCC. A body which has statutory powers, for fuck's sake.

When it was pointed out, the NSPCC doubled down and accused those of pointing it out of transphobia and homophobia.

We have a multitude of data about the impact on children living apart from their parents - and they're all negative.

Knowing what I do about the typical outcomes for kids raised in care I'd only advocate for them being removed from their families for very serious reasons indeed. "My mum told me that people can't change sex" is not a good enough reason to expose kids to that level of risk.

course, if there is a genuine concern about safeguarding with regards to this particular issue, then social services and the police like the National Lottery previously would likely be interested to hear about it and be well placed to look into it.

Yeah, right. They'll be rushing to do so.

Yeah, right. They'll be rushing to do so.

IKR? Honestly.

Generally speaking I prefer to take advice from people who have some level of demonstrated understanding of how the society they live in works.

When it was pointed out, the NSPCC doubled down and accused those of pointing it out of transphobia and homophobia.

I know I'm quoting my own post, but honestly, I still can't get over this.

I don't know why the NSPCC wasn't subjected, immediately, to an investigation and shut down in the meantime.

I recall, Owen Jones also described as bigotry any disquiet over the behaviour of NSPCCs very own rubber man

Janice Turner being accused of bigotry by Owen Jones? One of them is a journalist doing her job. The other is a clown most recently to be found denying responsibility for his own signature on a notorious petition....

When it was pointed out, the NSPCC doubled down and accused those of pointing it out of transphobia and homophobia.

But then quietly fired him. Because at the top they know it's not a good look.

Owen "embarrassment to his profession" Jones says what?

@statsgeek1

No, the above is a suggestion to investigate those that make the claim or present with the symptoms to a medical professional . The study which is oft referred to from 2011 suggestsof those that do, over 84% will go on to have no treatment at all

I and most of us support this. Mermaids do not. They consider treating trans identity as a medical issue to be bigotry and transphobia. They see it as conversion therapy.

Has Jones ever done any actual investigative journalism? All I've ever seen from him are opinion pieces.

Owen Jones has accused Janice Turner of bigotry for pointing out that this is a tactic deployed by child groomers

Lots of men prioritise their own agenda ahead of child safeguarding.

I rejected the box and discovered myself so i'm mindful to agree with your last comment

Maybe, but there is only so far you can go with rejecting your body, or your biology. One might dislike one's body for any number of reasons, or the associations it brings with it....but at the end of the day you are stuck with it...... It really is a kind of destiny. Life on earth and all..... Although, how you express your inner self is very much dependent on what drives you.

So 'the family' referred to are probably siblings.

It is parents responsibility to ensure devices used by children are in public areas and policed throughout. This falls on the parents everyone l every time and every information website can be expected to start from this premise.