The gay women? - well, one campaigned for trans on all women shortlists and if you try to discuss with her pulls out all the insults, won't listen, then says we need 'less heat more light' can't understand why women are upset about men in jail - 'would we feel the same about lesbians'?etc, etc. One posts constantly about Trans people being bullied or suicidal - she seemed surprised I was not keen on men in sports and asked if I thought 'segregation' should begin at infants, I said no, and she disappeared.
She is repeating propaganda.
TRAs target lesbians' empathy.
Helen Belcher (Trans Media Watch & LIbDems) on meeting Martina Navratilova for BBC documentary, 'The Trans Women Athlete Dispute' :
(extract)
"So I asked her what the media’s understanding of lesbian issues was when she came out in 1981. She said something like “awful” or “abysmal”. And she immediately got the parallels.
The point being that the media landscape for trans people in the UK, and increasingly in some other countries, has been absolutely awful for a couple of years now, and the level of understanding displayed is minimal. It was into that situation, where absolutists were making very combative comments meaning that the response had to be equally black-and-white, that her comments about trans inclusion landed.
And this was where the money shot happened, as she fought back the tears. She didn’t want to be seen as an ally of all these awful viewpoints, she’d fought hard for LGBT rights for many, many years, she acknowledged that it was very hard for trans people and she was worried that she’d made things worse. I suspect this is the bit that will be broadcast.
We ended up on some common ground. My view is that hard-and-fast rules will take some time to be found, if they can be found at all, as I suspect there will always be cases that need to be examined on an individual basis. This will need clear principles to be defined, which then means we need to understand what fairness, in terms of competitive and elite sport, actually is." (continues)
challengingjourneys.wordpress.com/2019/06/26/martina-and-me/
BBC
www.bbc.com/sport/48777660
cf 'forced teaming'