Piers Morgan with Lisa Nandy on Good Morning Britain

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He’s trying to push Lisa Nandy as to whether any man can self identify and compete in woman’s sports. He’s actually trying to talk some sense and saying it’s unfair to woman’s rights. Making really good points about trans rights overriding woman’s rights.
She will not give a straight answer to anything.

The 9 min clip doesn't show he argument continuing well into when they's normally go to commercials. It's unreal There's real vitriol there, DH and I were listening with our jaws on the floor.

James Kirkup, on R4 Any Questions last week answered a question on Labour & Momentum, and said he missed he the old says when prospective candidates actually tried to appeal to voters, and be nice to them - rather than leaving the impression you disagree with me, therefore you are a bad person.

Never has there been a more solid example of this.

www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2739

You can watch the whole thing here from 1hr 30-ish but you do have sit through adverts.

The great Assigner could be like the Hogwarts sorting hat.

Yes it's bizarre to find Piers Morgan as a crucial (because influential and vocal) ally. His support is as much to do with the insult to intelligence of this 'debate' as it is to do with supporting women.

I just can't fathom what is going on the minds of people like Nandy, sitting there and talking total garbage about trans while also claiming to occupy the moral high ground in defending Women's rights. It's totally sickening.

It’s clear she doesn’t give a shit about women, which makes me even angrier that she keeps talking about women in shelters. Abused women are nothing more than a point in her scoresheet. She makes me sick

I meant to say as well, well done to Susanna, who stopped the sporting debate turning into an intersex debate about Castor Semenya.

Does anyone know who the two guys with her were?

The one on the far left (ha!) said about the babies and biological sex thing "well it's a boy or a girl" - and Lisa Nandy didn't say anything. Weird that he could state it so plainly, and Nandy couldn't.

I've only seen the 9 min clip, the two men were journalists - Andrew Pierce (daily mail) and Kevin Maguire (mirror).

Thanks LittleRootie, explains the rational "there are only two - boy or girl!" response, that seemingly British politicians think is unsayable now.

My thanks to the link witches

LN looked properly terrified; did she understand she was throwing her career away?

PM May be a bully & many other things but so delighted he is bringing more sunshine. Boxers & weightlifters he knows exactly how to get a reaction from the public. AND LN wasn’t allowed to get away with using intersex to muddy the issue

Kevin Maguire is a bit shifty in all this isn’t he? He knows fine well it’s all absolutely bollocks - as do Mirror readers. But he wants to keep his leftie blokey credentials so he sits on that sofa and wriggles uncomfortably.

The two journalists sat next to Nandy looked like they were ready to burst into laughter

She was truly awful. It was embarrassing to watch.

Lisa on the surface was potentially a labour leader who could have won the next election. However today her need not to answer the question and try to make pm look like a bully. Confirmed to me that lisa is not the type of leader i would follow because she has no conviction to tell it as it is in fear of losing votes. I for one would not vote for her. That from someone who has been a life long labour voter second generation in.

Did any one think she looked like a school kid trying to deny the bleeding obvious to the headteacher?

I've just watched it. And …. I have no words.

Is anybody really suggesting that that fucking stupid woman could be the leader of one of the country's major political parties? It's April Fool come early, isn't it? Either that or a very bad dream.

She couldn't run a bath, let alone the Labour Party. What, in the name of all that's holy, makes her any sort of candidate?

Yes it's bizarre to find Piers Morgan as a crucial (because influential and vocal) ally. His support is as much to do with the insult to intelligence of this 'debate' as it is to do with supporting women.

Piers Morgan fully supports that India Willoughby, Caitlin Jenner etc have all become women through a 'transition' process.

Pink News
India Willoughby: Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life
APRIL 24, 2018
(extract)
I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

Pakistani transgenders carry placards as they rally to mark World Aids Day in Karachi on November 30, 2013. (ASIF HASSAN/AFP/Getty)
There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians.

As I say, take a look for yourself. Trans groups are more than happy to debate any subject Justine or her murky corner of the web wants – but the material on the site isn’t a discussion. It’s vicious, nasty persecution

Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.

It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate." (continues)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

'Should Piers Morgan Be Fired for His Views on Gender?'
with Benjamin Butterworth & India Willoughby

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that

Oh gawd how does India believe writing crap like this will get anyone on their side? Gross to compare her voice to that of a squealing pig.

katiegoestoaldi

I wish it was just the young 'uns but I am surrounded by people aged 30+ who buy into Self ID and the freedom people should have to live their lives how they choose. Anything else is not #bekind and is just bigotry. Voicing concerns is bigotry and being obsessed with other people's genitals

This may sound daft, but I wonder how much subliminal influence the film 'The Greatest Showman' has had on the younger generation. I watched it on DVD last year and was genuinely shocked at how a man who had set up an enterprise cruelly exploiting vulnerable people for personal gain had been Disneyfied and turned into some sort of progressive hero. My daughter (30s and GC) was absolutely astonished at my negative reaction, telling me that it is used extensively in schools as an example of the freedom people should have to live their lives how they choose.

It's not one film that has caused this, it's almost two decades of being in our schools, there's a generation who have had this all ingrained as fact.

Disney, while always re-enforcing stereotypes, their hold on media is fairly recent.

This may sound daft, but I wonder how much subliminal influence the film 'The Greatest Showman' has had on the younger generation. I watched it on DVD last year and was genuinely shocked at how a man who had set up an enterprise cruelly exploiting vulnerable people for personal gain had been Disneyfied and turned into some sort of progressive hero. My daughter (30s and GC) was absolutely astonished at my negative reaction, telling me that it is used extensively in schools as an example of the freedom people should have to live their lives how they choose.

My daughter (aged 28 at the time) and I both loathed this film (seen in cinema) but all I have encountered to date is gushing enthusiasm for it, mostly by my USA Facebook friends of all ages. Yours is the first negative viewpoint I've seen -- ever. I'm not sure that the film is influential, but it's certainly a barometer of particularly American contemporary attitudes.
To me it exemplifies a certain "you can realise all your biggest, most impossible dreams" narcissistic, materialistic, and valueless philosophy: the impossible dream. Translated into trans terms: isn't changing sex practically the most impossible of all dreams? So to dream that dream must be evidence that "you can do and be anything you want". A life-maxim that I've always been extremely sceptical about.
This might be a bit melodramatic but I've never felt so out of touch with contemporary culture as in my reaction to that film.

"The twitter resonse (sic) sums her up, she is more worried about losing the moral high ground than losing the argument. Piers may be a bastard but he doesn't care as long as he gets his points in, he did that and she couldn't answer them"

It's incredible that "the moral high ground" now includes openly lying and denying on national tv that biology is an objective fact, which is what she is doing by her cowardly skirting of this basic question. It's depressing that the two female candidates have thrown their lot in with men masquerading as women who smoke-bomb women's rights meetings and expel them from the party.

I was no fan of Margaret Thatcher but could you ever imagine her moaning that people weren't being nice? She also wasn't afraid to baldly state her opinions and took clear stands and judgements. That was back in the days of facts, science and reason.

Now these potential leaders listen to the swamp on Twitter who are raised on the internet and have no concept of philosophy or the history of ideas, or indeed basic biology.

"Feels" are now policy over actual women, our lives and our bodies.

I didn't vote in this last election as Labour has abandoned me. I know many women feel the same. Many of my former Labour voting family in the NE turned to the Tories. Over reasons like this crap. And also because all the issues that they were concerned about Labour activists told them to shut up about and join the Tories, so they did. Wow. Who would think that Labour would work to kick out working class and women supporters out of the party.

This might be a bit melodramatic but I've never felt so out of touch with contemporary culture as in my reaction to that film.

Yes, me too. I sat seething through it and was actually quite unnerved at the strength of my reaction to it. Normally, I just fall asleep when I’m not interested in a film.

Today Piers had Hannah Barrell SNP on. He asked if it was fair that Laurel Hubbard should be allowed to compete in the Olympics as a woman, and he showed Laurels photo.

She couldn't bring herself to say that it would be unfair.
FFS

No, no one film caused this, but The Greatest Showman is absolutely a product of the same vacuous, superficial mindset that drives so much of this movement.

There's a reason Dawn Butler read the entire lyrics to one of the songs in it as part of an actual speech she made at a TRA event.

Because people willingly embracing their oppression under an exploitative male led capitalism, and presenting it as a glitter covered liberation, is absolutely the perfect film analogy for what is going on.