Happy International Women's Day!

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Happy Day all you adult human females!

Men cannot be women.

Woman is not some man's feeling.

This day is for WOMEN.

I know I post it at every opportunity, but I remember how this meeting galvanised me into action. And given that some seem to want this thread derailed, let's celebrate these wonderful women on IWD.

cf Dr Julia Long's speech at Speakers' Corner

Great speech, thanks for the link R0. Julia is awesome

Man is a neutral word.
It references that a person belongs to the male reproductive class.
That's literally all it entails.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Most people who describe themselves as 'transwomen' understand perfectly that they belong to the male reproductive class.
And most 'transwomen' who visit Mumsnet know perfectly well that when a feminist here observes a person to be a man, they are observing nothing more or less than the fact that he is the opposite reproductive class to women. Opposite class to us.

It's not remotely an insult for a woman to reference a man's reproductive class, which he knows perfectly well himself.

It's horribly insulting to layer stereotypes onto my reproductive class and demand we agree with a male redefinition of woman.
Especially on IWD.

Anyway, it's now past midnight.
Back to 364 man days again.
Happy adult human male days, to all of the male posters on Mumsnet. I hope you enjoy your natural biological sex as much as I enjoy mine.

I remember that meeting well too, bingbongsong 😉

A fabulous addition to this IWD thread, Bing

Thank you - that can never be linked to too much.

@herroyalcarbyless
My daughter is a very happy child. She is allowed to be whatever she wants.
One day she is dressed as a princess and pretends to be a mother. The next she is playing with all of her dinosaurs and monster trucks. She knows the name and diet of 46 different dinosaurs! Shes obsessed. The weekends are spent in the woods usually getting muddy or playing cricket.
But these things aren't gendered. If a toy is only suitable for someone with certain genitalia then it's not suitable for any child!

She's kind. I teach her to be kind. The same way I would treat my son (if I had one) to be kind and empathetic. She is also taught to stand up for what she believes in and not allow anyone to oppress her.

My daughter will not be told she must be feminine or she's not a real woman. That is literally what you are doing on this thread.

My daughter can be whoever she wants to be.

Right, I'm off to sleep now. Toodle pip.

All women are female. Please come up with a non circular definition of woman otherwise. I celebrate all women on IWD. Even those who for their own reasons choose to put men's interests first in a variety of ways.

Barracker
That was a fun week of feminism, I must say!

My daughter will not be told she must be feminine or she's not a real woman. That is literally what you are doing on this thread.

It literally isn't.

Orwx - that's great re your dD, but you've missed the point entirely with 'My daughter will not be told she must be feminine or she's not a real woman. That is literally what you are doing on this thread. '

'Gender critical' feminists are precisely the women who don't give a shit about whether someone is 'feminine'. Being a women merely depends on being female. You're mixing up sex and 'gender'.

My daughter will not be told she must be feminine or she's not a real woman. That is literally what you are doing on this thread.

Belated happy IWD to all the women just getting on with life being the women they are and refusing to let men redefine you and redefine sisterhood, as they always do in one way or another.

As for what I was doing this IWD, I was just woman-ing around raising a daughter. I didn’t attend any IWD events. I’m effing shattered.

My daughter will not be told she must be feminine or she's not a real woman. That is literally what you are doing on this thread

No we are not.
What makes a woman?
If it isn't biology what is it?
How do you feel like a woman?
How can someone raised male, with all of the privilege that is given to them, know what it is like to be a woman?

What TRAs are doing is telling us woman is a feeling and that liking pink and "girly" things makes someone a woman.

All the feminists are doing is pushing back and saying that gender is a construct used by misogynists to keep women in their place, and that we should abolish gender and concentrate on sex and sex based rights.

But hey, you keep telling yourself that all is fine.
I will keep in fighting for sex segregation in certain circumstances, so that my daughter, and yours, are kept safe.

My daughter is 4 years old and she is more respectful and feminist than any of you.

How do you know that your child is a girl? That’s very presumptuous of you.

I want to jump on the ‘I have a 4 year old theme’ here. So do I. What she likes ‘as a girl’ is irrelevant, because none of it makes her more of a girl or less of a girl. She’s a female human child. A daughter. Do you know what she’ll never be? A boy. A man. A male. She’ll always be female and will always, always be included in feminism no matter what battles she has in her life. It’s for her rights and the rights of all her sisters. Whether they want it or not, if they want to identify out of being a woman, feminism includes all women and will always be here for them. Men are not female, they’re not feminists either, so just give it a rest and stop doing patriarchy’s work.

Well said, McCanne.

I'm sad that anyone thinks 'respectful' is a laudable quality for a 4 year old girl.

How do you know that your child is a girl? That’s very presumptuous of you.

Well, Robin thought there was some confusion on how we tell who the females of the human race are upthread - so over to you Orwx. How did you know that your child was female? You say you don't care "what's in anyone's pants" - so how do you know she's your daughter?

Just to be clear - I was always very clear on what sex my three children were, I found out at their 20 week scans. And the midwife observed and recorded it at their birth.

That is literally what you are doing on this thread

A winning combination of ignorance and arrogance.

Belated happy IWD to you too, McCanne!
You sound as if you've been womanning along just like the rest of us. My day wasn't so different from other days, but I did take (quite) some time out to do something for me.

Well our one dedicated day supposed to celebrate women has been and gone, so thank you to the posters here who demonstrated so nicely the very issues we are fighting against.

Actually I don't really mean thank you, I mean fuck off.

Today I will continue to be a woman, womaning all wrongly and not shutting up and doing what men tell me to. Just like every other 364 days a year (actually we get an extra day to do this this year, 365!) Every day is a woman's day for me because I was born one and will be one until I die. Men, on the other hand, won't.

Thanks again @MNHQ.

Thanks for not even letting us have this one thread free of goadiness and deliberate shitstirring from the TRAs.

No doubt youd be on it like stink on shit if one of the sacred caste took a snit about something one of the GC women said on here, but you continue to prove your contempt towards us.

Thanks. A. Fucking. Bunch.

Just popping back to note how swiftly masks are a-slipping and how the endless incoherence is just getting louder and louder.

The word rattled comes to mind.

Orwx you might as yourself what sort of behaviour would your daughter display for her to be suddenly worried that she might be a boy?

And then square that away with feminism.

*ask yourself

I first came to FWR in 2011 talking about 'cis privilege'. I've learned a lot since then, mainly from the amazing women on this board.

Woman. Born, not worn.