Suzanne Moore- The Guardian on Selina Todd

[Ontheblackhill]

Presumably you have all seen this......

www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2020/mar/02/women-must-have-the-right-to-organise-we-will-not-be-silenced

all the cells are replaced in the body periodically. So if we are always renewing our bodies then why won’t you accept we can change sex

But the cells in our body are being replaced like for like.

My vagina cells are not being replaced by penis cells.

FamilyofAliens maybe if they close their eyes very hard and make a wish, the unicorn that poops glitter will make that wish come true though. You are so hurting their feelings.

The tide stared to turn with #expelme when a lot of the public turned around and said "that's batshit". Thank you, Labour candidates for turning on the sunlight.

Harry the Owl's court case and that poor detransistioner suing The Taverstock Clinic have added to the furor.

That's what the Twitter tantrum is about: we are paying attention, as a society. We were supposed to be"nice" and let them get away with it.

The Guardian is right back on form this morning. Here is a comment I've just had deleted on yet another of their opinion pieces claiming that there is no free-speech crisis on campuses.

Unfortunately universities have played right into the hands of people like Toby Young. When respected academics like Selina Todd are being no-platformed because of standard second-wave feminist beliefs that biological sex is real and politically important, it is not surprising that the public starts to express concerns about how detached from reality academia is and how and where the bar is set for "hate speech". As an academic myself, I can tell you that there is a great deal of concern about the erosion of academic freedom and the fact that some areas of research are more beholden to ideology than rigourous investigation and thinking.

I can't for the life of me see how that breaks their comment guidelines.

Maybe we should have a thread here detailing all our deleted Guardian comments?

I suspect the staff delete them based on reports and then their own opinions. Perhaps a big enough thread would attract some press attention?

Presumably because you said ‘sex is real’?

Presumably because you said ‘sex is real’?

Yes, that was very hateful of me, wasn't it?

The Guardian: Where "Comment is Censored, and Facts are Too"

Was that on the Jonathan Wolff piece, GC? It was a very disappointing piece from someone who's usually pretty good.

I was going to suggest emailing him directly, but then of course you'd have to give your real name, I suppose.

A perfectly reasonable and mildly-worded comment too.

Perfectly put: clear and to the point, without getting diverted into associated side issues.

Brilliant. Thank you , SM

There are LOTS more of us than anyone thinks!

GC excellent comment that.

Yes, that's the one RoyalCorgi - I've noticed they've deleted several other similar comments from readers. They were all getting a lot of likes, as well.

Wow, there's an awful lot of drama in Jess's life, isn't there? Who knows if Jess is even trans or just some fantasist. I doubt very much they work for the Guardian.

I think re GC's comment being deleted, the moderation team at the Guardian are very young and woke. I don't know how aware Viner et al are of how zealous they are in deleting comments that don't toe the party line.

There is definitely a lot of debate and division at the Guardian over this.

Remember the last time a transgender employee of a newspaper said the story choices made them unsafe in the workplace? Katherine O’Donnell at The Times?

And it went to Tribunal, with occasional Mumsnet visitor, Robin Moira White as O’Donnell’s barrister?

And the judge handed them their arses on a plate?

www.pressgazette.co.uk/transgender-ex-times-journalist-loses-discrimination-claim-against-paper/

And then the crowd funder for appeal fell 23 and a half grand short of target?

www.gofundme.com/f/transphobia-at-the-times

Well, judging by that, Jess’s union can do diddly squat about that uppity Suzanne Moore and her wounding words.

Here’s the link for the judgement and dismissal of K O’Donnell V Times Newspapers 2019

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-k-o-donnell-v-times-newspapers-ltd-4107419-2018

I would have thought, toxic environments for women (biological ones if we have to spell it out), are much more the norm. We only have to see the issues the BBC has had and I doubt whether the Guardian is a million miles different.

Reading that link, it shows that a man transitioned to a woman, and then complained about how women were discriminated against. How women don't get promoted but mediocre men do. Tell us something new!

I hate the 'literally crying rn' trope.

Its straight from the misogynist mindset, women turn on the waterworks to get their own way.
More performative insulting nonsense.

Culture wars v likely to be alive in the Guardian. Who’d be a moderator in this situation. All one can guess is that heated comments on the other side of the divide have been removed too.
Also hard in a workplace where your thought/opinions and what stories you follow up are clearly visible to colleagues around you. Some have thicker skins and possibly know they can get a gig elsewhere if they scream blue murder, others perhaps with dependants can’t afford to raise their heads too far above parapets. And not forgetting those who’ve been asked to steer clear

All one can guess is that heated comments on the other side of the divide have been removed too.

I tested the water by making a very mild comment on the Jonathan Wolff article. No reference to biology or to trans issues. Just something very anodyne.

It was deleted.

Who’d be a moderator in this situation. All one can guess is that heated comments on the other side of the divide have been removed too.

It would be nice to think so, wouldn't it? But what's happening on that article is that the measured comments on one side are being removed, while the heated and hyperbolic ones on the other remain. What's left is a series of comments that sound like they are written by hard-left authoritarian types.

I LOVE La Moore.

Love.

Her.

I do not understand why supporting the rights of women is deemed as hating trans people?

The true believers think (or have been told) that the concept of sex is outdated and offensive, and they want to replace it with gender identity in all legal and political contexts.
Some people are heavily invested in this career-wise. See e.g.
futureoflegalgender.kcl.ac.uk/

ABOUT THE PROJECT
What should gender’s future be? Should gender fade in significance, become a matter of personal choice, define new ways of living and being, or remain a category of domination and inequality? And what can law contribute to these changes?

Currently in Britain, we all bear a legal gender, starting with the sex we are registered as having at birth. But are there good reasons for retaining a system in which people are gendered in ways that carry formal legal status? What might change involve? And what are the implications, in terms of the challenges, risks and benefits, of radical reform? These questions form the basis for our three-year critical law reform project, begun in May 2018, and funded by the Economic and Social Research Council.
(We fund this guff!)

If the Guardian really were to wake up (unwoke?) - and I'm not saying they are just yet - then it would be an absolutely fascinating tussle. We know how some men react when women tell them 'no'.

Does anyone else have the feeling we're watching wokedom sort of go into reverse and speed up back to reality like some kind of whooshing vortex of reverse ferretting? If this is the new Dr Who series, I quite like it.

I just hope the pendulum doesn't swing back to far the other way.
Wokedom set out with a noble aim. Build a society where intrinsic characteristics dont hold people back. A Good Thing, still.

I’m still on pre-moderation with the Guardian after expressing concern about puberty blockers months ago. There is definitely censorship. I was commenting on an article months ago that itself was pre-moderated and all my comments went through then all of a sudden they disappeared. My suspicion is it was when the time zone shifted and the US- based moderators came on shift. There is no doubt there is censorship. In fact, I remember the first time I really clicked onto it was an Owen Jones article about PrEP. I saw comments disappear within seconds of being posted. It was clear and deliberate. And on trans articles it’s very prevalent.

They are a bunch of hypocritical censorship-supporting propagandists who can fuck right off. The editorial staff and mods I mean. Suzanne Moore can stay of course.