Suzanne Moore- The Guardian on Selina Todd

[Ontheblackhill]

Presumably you have all seen this......

www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2020/mar/02/women-must-have-the-right-to-organise-we-will-not-be-silenced

Rousing... Excellent.

What’s happening at the Guardian I wonder?!

This is a pretty good article, and generally speaking I can't stand SM.

Great response in FB from Reb

In the guardian

Great response in FB from Reb

Where is it? I can't see it - has it been deleted?

Excellent article

Bloody hell! Marvellous - in the Guardian!!

Thank you Suzanne Moore.

The comment on FB from reb has been deleted! Damn I should have screen shot it

Has it? I just refreshed and it’s still there. I’ll screen grab it

Thanks Britney...still gone from my feed

The Guardian is notorious for censorship - even when they have comments open on an article on their website, they delete things without good reason, without providing any explanation and with no right of appeal.

So I am not surprised they do the same with FB comments.

Julie Bindel has retweeted with an interesting comment (well I thought so):
....Loads of times feminist writers were commissioned to write such a piece only to to have it spiked. Things may not have gone so far if more commissioning editors had been braver:

Plus a cryptic comment below from Rosa Freedman about someone called 'Chris'.

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1234550654737223680

If this is the same one, here it is (scribbled out the user pictures for privacy)

Change your "view comments" settings from "most relevant" to "all" and then its there

What’s happening at the Guardian I wonder?!

Genuinely, when I read an opinion piece like that I think of the following possibilities:

1. Katharine Viner must be on holiday and it was slipped through
2. Suzanne Moore must be already on her way out so decided to go out with a big fuck you
3. She wasn’t on her way out but will be now when the person in charge of the trust whose name I can’t remember calls up and gets her fired because he’s on the trans wagon IIRC
4. the US branch will come back with some retort about how horrible it all was and it doesn’t reflect their values etc.
5. Hadley Freeman cheered when she read it

What do they know that we don’t? I still wouldn’t wipe my backside on that comic.

That’s what my first thought. What do they know?

Fantastic article. Indeed, there are more of us than you think

From FB:

Natacha Kennedy How dare the Guardian post such transphobic drivel my timeline

I don't think Natacha quite understands how Facebook works!
I was going to post a flounce gif in response but none quite do their tantrum justice.

I wonder if this is the Guardian testing the water.

They may have thought their financial future was to tie in with the trans tsunami.

But a number of more recent events may have made them rethink.

They must be aware that they are regarded as anti woman / anti feminist. They must also know that it makes them grand standing on the right to free speech in universities, look a tiny bit hypocritical if they dont comment on Selina Todd being no platformed. Not that they would ever think they were are fault with their policy of no platforming radical feminists in the Guardian.

I wonder how internal the arguement over this being posted was. Just say this as Natasha Kennedy was not only the first, but now a persistent commentator on facebook link. Still is you thought you were the Guardian's Queen Bee who could dictate policy, it must be really aggravating to know you have been usurped by someone who has in fact a better claim to write about women - because they are a woman.

Yes Suzanne!!

Brilliant! For the first time ever I've donated to The Guardian, using the link on that page. I hope lots of people do the same so they realise how important this issue is to people.

Wonderful article. Nailed it!

There was a piece in Private Eye suggesting that some female journos at the Guardian had had enough.

On the internal argument, Roz Kaveney says (twitter.com/RozKaveney/status/1234561468361826304): "What has happened at the Guardian is the emergence of an internal culture of transphobia. Women like Suzanne Moore who used to have trans friends now like antitrans conspiracy stuff on Twitter. The only people standing against it are @OwenJones84 and @MissEllieMae"

Which is certainly heartening if true (that the TRA position is in such a minority), although it sounds like an exaggeration!

Natacha Kennedy stated on Twitter (twitter.com/natachakennedy/status/1234553877548224515): "@KathViner
has turned it into a transphobic hate-rag like all the others."

Which I think is rather unfair on Viner, not just because GC doesn't equal transphobic hate, but also because I think any other Guardian editor would have published the same piece. Viner's predecessor Alan Rusbridger tweeted in support of Selina Todd a couple of days ago! If anything, Viner may have been blinded until now by a perspective that may be partly attributed to the fact she formerly lived in New York!

Very clearly put.
There are more of us than some people think, from all political persuasions and none.