Suzanne Moore- The Guardian on Selina Todd

[Ontheblackhill]

Presumably you have all seen this......

www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2020/mar/02/women-must-have-the-right-to-organise-we-will-not-be-silenced

There are more of us than you think.
Hell yes

Guardian?!!?

Good for her. It must have been very hard to write this and to get it published by the Guardian. I always liked her. Its language reads very slightly un-fluently to me in places, I wonder if there has been editing negotiation on the text. She’s right of course and I welcome every opportunity these things are said in the public domain.

You either protect women’s rights as sex-based or you don’t protect them at all.

Yep, exactly.

Oh my fucking God, did I just read this in the guardian????

What an amazing piece! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

Hoorah. Maybe this is because there is also the case about the Tavistock clinic and their gender reassignment policies being subject to judicial review that has enabled her to speak out.

We biological women fought hard for our rights and makes me angry that a biological man with the advantages still given to boys and men, can put on a dress and say he's a woman.

This isn't to deny that there are issues around people being intersex for whom I can have sympathy.

I was quite shocked! Perhaps the worm is turning??

"Woman is an umbrella term" I certainly think has peaked a fair few more across ten country.

I do not understand why supporting the rights of women is deemed as hating trans people?

Surely - as Keir Starmer said - trans rights are human rights

Making sure that all humans have rights is a good thing and does not involve hating any other group

Brilliant. Thanks, Suzanne.

That’s a proper air punching article, that one! Quick, someone archive it before the Guardian caves to pressure and takes it down!

LQ, it's because trans women claim the right to be recognised as and treated as women- when women say no to this, they regard that as hate, if not 'actual violence'. Of course we all agree that all humans have rights. Nobody hates trans people, as far as |I can tell.

Excellent article!

Predictable riposte from OJ on Twitter which is beginning to smack of his desperation. The article is about women ffs!

Great. But the Guardian is one of the organisations responsible for this situation. To me it feels like being excited because your abusive husband stops beating you up on a regular basis.
They can still fuck off

To me it feels like being excited because your abusive husband stops beating you up on a regular basis
They can still fuck off

This is exactly how I feel as well. Fuck ‘em all

Archived:

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So love this - fabulous piece of polemic.

I daresay the Guardian has plenty in the pipeline to disappoint us with over the coming week to make up for this.

GC I agree.
This feels like a stopped clock telling the right time twice a day type of situation at the Guardian.

The Guardian editorial team, like the BBC, are in a liberal PoMo bubble and it takes them a long, long time to realise when they've completely misjudged public opinion. I wonder if this is an early sign that the Guardian may be catching up. Perhaps that's a bit too optimistic...

I have written to the comment editor thanking him for running the piece, and saying that if they continue to publish pieces from BOTH sides of the "are tw w" debate (note: I don't want a monolith, just give both sides of the debate from different parts of the left/feminism some room) that my subscription might be renewed. Along with my faith. Ha.

I wonder if it’s in the ‘Comment is Free’ section because her normal editor wouldn’t accept it, so she pitched it to the blog section instead?

Considering her previous feminist piece went in the Telegraph of all places, she might be having to prove this topic, from the GC perspective has a place in The Guardian...

Worth remember that Viner has stated that queer politics inform everything she does. an example of how queer politics as a backlash against women's liberation in 80s, produced students who went on to have positions of power in media, politics etc..

And was probably the reason she got the job.

That's why I wondered, even just as a financial step, the paper is thinking its one sided approach is loosing paying readers.

(Although I understand they have been sucessful via financial contributions - which may have come from people who attach strings)

That's interesting.

The Guardian sells less than the Observer (which is slightly more open to gender critical feminism)

www.pressgazette.co.uk/national-newspaper-abcs-guardian-sees-smallest-circulation-decline-for-july-2019/

“I’m not friends with you anymore”

mobile.twitter.com/RozKaveney/status/1234605108215926784

twitter.com/JessicaLond0n/status/1234606350585548801
Interesting twitter thread.

'Jess' who works at The Guardian is 'crying' and 'scared to go into work tomorrow'.

Not all replies are solidarity and rage though........