‘Woman or person who gave birth’

[Fooffmalooff]

I have recently been given a survey to fill in regarding care during pregnancy and birth. It’s an NHS survey.

One of the questions asks how you are related to the baby, be it birth partner, family member or ‘the woman or person who gave birth.’

I don’t know why but this has really annoyed me. Women give birth. ‘People’ (read- transgender men) do not. Absolutely fine if you identify as a man etc etc but even if you live like a man, look like a man, think like a man... if you are pregnant and having a baby, you are biologically a woman, no matter how you think/feel/look on the outside.

I just feel a bit weird about the inclusion of this on a survey which is intended for women regarding the most fundamentally female thing you can do.

Thoughts?

Absolutely. That's how they got Miranda Yardley banned from Twitter. And people like Debbie Hayton are vilified.

Do you realise how small the population is that you're feeling empathic towards?

The women who try to opt-out of female oppression by claiming to be men and then find that they can't opt-out of reproductive labour when they want children are a much much smaller group than the women who do not attend smears because they've been raped or sexually assaulted. I do not see the NHS addressing sexual assault in its patronising smear test posters. I do not see the people who want us to surrender our language to accommodate gender dysphoric women showing anything like this level of compassion to rape victims who cannot face their smear tests. This is something that men inflict upon us and we are left to face it alone.

@ahumanfemale I didn’t say I only have empathy with the trans community.

@Wereallsquare your argument about fgm or flashing makes no sense to me. Anyone who flashes or denies fgm is abusive requires challenge. It’s not got anything to do with being trans. You are far more likely to be cyber flashed where it’s very hard to trace than to be flashed in a retail changing room where cctv will show who entered and exited.
Fgm is performed mostly by females already. So why are the trans community going to make this worse if they have a view already held by many females and males in certain communities? I don’t follow.

No it has nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with being male which all transwomen are.

Nofool with the ironic nickname, those examples are "peak trans" moments that I have personally experienced with men who claim to be women. They have happened to me and my child.

And you choose to address those parts of my many posts? You willfully ignore the more nefarious problem of Trans Rights Activism being part of Men's Rights Activism? You choose to ignore the fact, and it is a fact, that the goal of TRA and MRA is to diminish the rights of women and erase womanhood.

Yes I chose to address those parts as they make no sense to me, as someone whose studied fgm for my profession. I wasn’t aware that I had to perform some kind of literature critique of every post you made in order to comment. I understand it’s annoying when trying to come across as knowledgeable if someone identifies points you’ve made as incorrect but that’s not the fault of the person who highlights it.

Does it matter how much of a statement is true if there are errors?

Poster 1: abcdefghixxxmnop

Poster 2:Hold on, I don’t agree with xxx. I think that’s incorrect.

Poster 3: Oh but you chose to wilfully ignore abcdef.

It’s not a logically response.

Nofool, You don't have the reading comprehension skills needed to carry on a sensible discussion. Keep reading, though, and keep an open mind.

@Wereallsquare Turning to insults due to a basic and polite challenge is very unhelpful to your cause but at least you made me laugh

Worms give birth we were born with the tools to do it now men.. if it stated person that would boil my piss ... I have periods once a month and suffer them to give birth this makes me a women! The world is fn mental !