Pornhub examples

[Tootsweets23]

Help, I'm looking for examples of awful videos on Pornhub, as I'm trying to get something off the ground to raise awareness of how dodgy they are.

I had an OBJECT leaflet which had a list on the back but I foolishly threw it out and can't find something similar on their website.

I also seem to remember seeing a lot of screen grabs that were horrendous, but my searching isn't throwing them up.

Does anyone know where I could find some examples or if there is a campaigner who has these stored online? I'm specifically looking for examples that are of potentially illegal or trafficked women and girls, plus that awful one of a young woman being shackled. God I can't believe I wrote that sentence.

I wish I had saved the OBJECT leaflet or screen grabs - kicking myself now.

Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.

No issues with your views OP. However please don’t encourage people to search for illicit material for you, just searching for, downloading and sharing it with you could place them at risk if authorities are monitoring such activity.

"Pornography has stunted your imagination."

If you believe you have a practical chance of ending the industry at this time, then I would say you have a very good imagination. It's naive utopianism. It's not living in the real world.

The change in technology would make pornography so difficult to control in today's world. That, and Western countries don't appear to even want to end commercial pornography. Somewhere like the USA, it's protected by their constitution. But even if Western countries went against itwhich doesn't appear likely anytime soonthen you have the risk that you just create a black market to some extent. And again, black market in a digital age could be very difficult to combat.

"You can’t ban it internationally. You can prosecute the people who possess it and share it. You can take powers to cross borders for the purposes of crime. You can criminalise production and all sorts of other measures. Britain did do a lot of these once."

UK law in the past made it much less easily available. But people still had it. People still sold it. And that was before the internet. Today, it would be an absolute nightmare for the police to try to control.

Well okay. But we still criminalise lots of things which are difficult to manage. The difficulty often goes to the validity of doing it at all.

My point is that it is not impossible. There seem to be methods now to manage it. The considerations are exactly the same as for paedophiles and the materials they hold.

"2) it doesn’t change my view

What does that mean? hmm

You reckon that whether you use
or abstain from porn
has no effect on your view of porn?"

It's quite possible that whether you use it has an effect on your viewpoint, but it's not that useful to focus on someone's motivations.

If it's suggested, something like, "You think porn is OK, because you are selfishly getting off on it", then:

(1) The person in question may not even use pornography in the first place-- plenty of people think it should be legal without personally using it.
(2) Even if they do use porn, they may have independent reasons for thinking or arguing their position. You don't refute what someone says by trying to suggest they have a bad motivation for putting forward an argument.

E.g. you can't say, "you're against porn, because you hate men, and it's a way to bash on men".

Even if that were true, and a feminist really did have that hateful motivation, they may still have an independent case against pornography, that doesn't depend on their hatred.

"But we still criminalise lots of things which are difficult to manage"

Yes, but for porn in general you could be turning a large percentage of the population into criminals. That has its own issues, if millions of people should be thrown into prison in theory. Right now, such a law wouldn't even be respected by much of the general population. So it would be trying to enforce something, that's difficult to enforce, and millions of people are likely just going to ignore the law and think it's none of the business of the police.

That is just moral relativism. The considerations are the same as for child sexual abuse imagery. You can police it in exactly the same way.

There is still extensive use of child sexual abuse imagery. A lot. We still police it and prosecute it.

It seems proportionate to look at whether pornography use is connected to crime, or it’s distribution, making or intent. I doubt that applies to most of the population. You world criminalise people but that is not a reason to do it.

We make things criminal all the time if it’s considered detrimental to society. Certain forms of porn may be just that. It was pretty much the law before 1997.

Men like you have stood between humans and profess since forever. Men like you said the Nordic Model's adoption in Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and France would turn "a large percentage of the population into criminals" and it turned out that men can easily turn off their desire to pay for rape with some education and social pressure.

Men like you said Iceland was kidding itself when it banned strip clubs in 2010, and now in 2020 Israel has also shut down the legal brothels known as strip clubs.

The things you say are impossible are happening. It took a civil War to end black slavery in America, feminists have been accomplishing women's freedom from rape slavery more slowly and with far less bloodshed.

But I hear what you're saying, men like you will only stop using filmed rapes for masturbation when police pry it from your cold, sticky fingers. So be it.

profess=progress

"I'm glad the enslavement of black people in America was an abolished industry instead of having another layer of regulation added to dictate how many whip lashes per slave per day is acceptable, or how many of a black mother's children could be sold before the regulatory limit kicked in."

But a properly regulated porn industry wouldn't be like "slavery" by definition in the minds of many. If it has been properly regulated, then only consenting adults are taking part. So it's perfectly sensiblefrom the point of view of many peopleto want the better regulation and improvement of the industry. If you think that some parts of the business are already acceptable, then you can think that better regulation may work for the industry in general.

Someone could argue that what other people see as "consenting adults" taking part in the business, aren't really properly "consenting" at all. So the porn business is just inherently too much like "slavery". But that's then a disputed issue.

I think the idea of regulation makes zero sense. It is incredibly burdensome legally and it is a lot easier if you criminalise certain aspects of pornography.

Britain is not like the States. We don’t have freedom of speech regarding pornography. You can criminalise it. Very easy and there’s a template law to do it.

"Men like you have stood between humans and profess since forever. Men like you said the Nordic Model's adoption in Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and France would turn "a large percentage of the population into criminals" and it turned out that men can easily turn off their desire to pay for rape with some education and social pressure."

I have never looked into this issue. I don't claim to know the facts. But these things may perhaps be somewhat controversial.

Quote:

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-018-9795-6

"Yet, when we interrogate the utilisation of the Nordic countries laws by law enforcers, it is not being implemented as per the law. We argue that ‘all that is occurring is the transfer of rhetoric and ideology’ in these countries"

Anyway, prostitution isn't the same issue as pornography. Prostitution is still much debated in Western countries; and there is some enforcement against it, partial toleration, with local differences in law and approach.

Looking at Wikipedia--

"It has also been reported that 12.5 % of men used to solicit prostitutes before the implementation of the law in 1999, whereas in 2014 only 7.7 % of men purchased sexual services.[5]

A 2013 report by the Swedish government stated that street prostitution had halved in the previous 10 years, but that escort advertisements had increased from 304 to 6,965. However the report also stated that an increase in advertisements did not necessarily mean that the number of escorts had increased."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model_approach_to_prostitution

So street prostitution down, but quite possibly the prostitution just switching over to a different area?

I don't know how they are getting the percentage numbers of men that use prostitutes. If it's self-report, it may just be that less men are inclined to admit to it because of the law change. That could be one factor in play anyway.

There would still appear to be widespread prostitution-- "escort advertisements had increased from 304 to 6,965".

Your Google game is weak, that paper is all theory and no facts (also, I've read it before). The Nordic Model works very well and the numbers strongly back it up.

Your five second Google search returned an article that references Norwegian pro-legalization group Pro Sentret, but it left out the numbers from the research such as these DIRECT quotes from Pro Sentret's research:

"Visible injury has decreased from a third of the sample to a fourth."

"One thing that has changed is that the number that experienced violence from someone unfamiliar in a car has declined from 27% to 11%."

"We also see a decline in violence from regular clients from 20% to 7%, and 14% to 7% from boss/pimp."

Here's the article that led to Pro Sentret revoking their own research (the author of the above paper didn't respect that revocation) since it wound up proving the Nordic Model in Oslo worked spectacularly well, even reduced rape by 48%. A 48% reduction in rape!!!

www.feministcurrent.com/2013/01/22/new-research-shows-violence-decreases-under-nordic-model-why-the-radio-silence/

"Anyway, prostitution isn't the same issue as pornography."

lol no, they're the same thing

"I have never looked into this issue."

So why the hell do you keep yammering away here in the face of women much more knowledgeable than you? Begone, mansplainer!

From the previously given Wikipedia source--

"In 2009, paying for sex was outlawed, criminalizing the clients while selling sex remained decriminalized. The new law placed Iceland in line with Sweden and Norway. However, prostitution in Iceland is thriving despite paying for sex being illegal.[27] A report published in 2017 by the National Commissioner of the Icelandic Police states that prostitution had "exploded" in the previous 18 months."

"Trials are often held privately without there being any effect on the reputation of the man being tried for buying sex. The fines that are given out are also comparatively low."

So in the case of Iceland, it doesn't seem to be working. Maybe weak enforcement is part of the reason for that, but still, prostitution appears to be widespread.

Murder keeps happening despite murder being illegal because men are violent shits resistant to change, maybe we should regulate it??

"Murder keeps happening despite murder being illegal because men are violent shits resistant to change, maybe we should regulate it??"

As I said, a properly regulated porn industry wouldn't be like your example of "slavery" in the minds of many people. Therefore, it can be perfectly sensible to regulate it. The aim isn't to regulate something equivalent to slavery or murder. The aim is you regulate it, then you are excluding something like slavery.

"So why the hell do you keep yammering away here in the face of women much more knowledgeable than you?"

When it comes to this particular issue of pornography: whether it's realistic or not to think the industry is going to be banned; I don't think you are more knowledgeable on this point. I actually think it's not far off delusional if you really think there is a good chance of banning it.

There are already workplace health laws that would mandate 100% condom use (and face masks, and latex gloves) in the already legal porn industry, but pimps and human traffickers already don't care.

The already existing health and safety laws are already being ignored because slavery is what men are already doing to prostituted women and children, sooo many children in prostitution despite child labor laws.

You think men can rent the (ab)use of women's reproductive organs safely despite a world's worth of evidence collected over centuries proving you wrong.

I’m

How annoying.

Yes the point is that criminalising is far easier and addresses the harm being done. It’s harm being done that needs to be criminalised, and the profit from it.

"But I hear what you're saying, men like you will only stop using filmed rapes for masturbation when police pry it from your cold, sticky fingers. So be it."

I'm just giving my honest opinion that the law would an absolute nightmare to enforce in today's world.

It kind of seems like you're saying, that you're fantasizing about men being killed for using pornography? If so, maybe not healthy...

"You think men can rent the (ab)use of women's reproductive organs safely despite a world's worth of evidence collected over centuries proving you wrong."

I could say either:

"Modern history proves socialism doesn't work"

Or:

"Modern history proves we need socialism more than ever"

It wouldn't mean much however.

But I don’t agree and I don’t think other posters would agree that enforcement is necessarily as difficult as you think. If it is possible for paedophiles and their collections of images, then it would not be difficult to do the same for pornography.

There are all sorts of laws you might use. The lesson of history is that if society considers there is a problem, then it addresses it.

There are limitless examples of that. But a very recent example of a behaviour that pertains to women’s dignity and “pornography” is the upskirting law. And it is enforced. Now really there is very little argument that possession of upskirting pictures is not a criminal offence. It can make you a sex offender.

So things change. And I would think matters like the possession of strangulation porn or violence is likely to change too. There has been increased scrutiny of what people do online and how that drives criminal offending. The law will follow where the problems are.