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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pornhub examples

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Tootsweets23 · 28/02/2020 14:11

Help, I'm looking for examples of awful videos on Pornhub, as I'm trying to get something off the ground to raise awareness of how dodgy they are.

I had an OBJECT leaflet which had a list on the back but I foolishly threw it out and can't find something similar on their website.

I also seem to remember seeing a lot of screen grabs that were horrendous, but my searching isn't throwing them up.

Does anyone know where I could find some examples or if there is a campaigner who has these stored online? I'm specifically looking for examples that are of potentially illegal or trafficked women and girls, plus that awful one of a young woman being shackled. God I can't believe I wrote that sentence.

I wish I had saved the OBJECT leaflet or screen grabs - kicking myself now.

Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.

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Tootsweets23 · 29/02/2020 14:01

Wonderful thank you! (Well not wonderful, those screenshots just haunt me).

Last question. I want to credit Dr Em, but I don't actually know who she is! Is her real name etc well known or does she just go by this alias? Not asking for her to be outed, just if it is bloody obvious/well known and I'm ignorant can you let me know?

Many many thanks

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Strongmummy · 29/02/2020 14:03

@Qcng what on EARTH are you talking about ? Why are you shaming women who legitimately enjoy a consensual experience . Personally I don’t get off on choking but i don’t judge those that do.

I don’t understand how you don’t understand that some women have fetishes that you may not like/you may see as degrading. It doesn’t mean they want to be choked to death !!!!! It’s called fantasy

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 14:23

How is just fantasy when there are REAL women involved.

Not everyone has been brainwashed by this Pomo choicy choice BS, I will judge and shame any harmfull behavior, it is not just my right it is a duty.

SomeDyke · 29/02/2020 14:57

i"Why are you shaming women who legitimately enjoy a consensual experience . Personally I don’t get off on choking but i don’t judge those that do."
Judge? No, but I'd quite strongly enquire why they do. And even more strongly judge those who willingly do this to someone else, because if a woman wanted me to do that, I would refuse to participate in an act that was so dangerous. To be willing to do it ('cos you really love her and she enjoys it so much), or because you enjoy doing it, yes I'd fucking judge someone for that! Then when you see men peddling the rough sex gone wrong defence, anything that facilitates that is doing so much harm to women as a group, no way would I ever support it.

As someone else pointed, it really does become something like 'yeah, but I really LIKE smack you know..............'

Strongmummy · 29/02/2020 15:25

@DonnaQuixote once again it’s patronising in the extreme to believe women are brainwashed into liking certain behaviour. We’re not going to agree but I sincerely hope that there are major changes in the porn industry to ensure that safety and agency of participants because, guess what, sex is fun !

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 16:00

Watching porn is not sex. Stating the fact that people are impacted by the culture they live in and the content they consume is not patronising.

Strongmummy · 29/02/2020 18:56

No watching porn isn’t sex but you and others are anti any fetish that doesn’t align with your world view. You also think that women who enjoy such fetishes have no agency. That’s patronising

DaveDave · 29/02/2020 19:09

Are you on Twitter? Follow Laila Mickelwait. She does amazing work against Pornhub.

Her view is "Pornhub doesn’t require age or consent verification to upload porn. If they look young or distressed, assume they are kids & victims. "

squirrelybiscuits · 29/02/2020 19:27

...I sincerely hope that there are major changes in the porn industry to ensure that safety and agency of participants...

Strongmummy, what hypothetical changes are you imagining that could possibly 'ensure the safety and agency of participants' in porn?

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 20:26

No watching porn isn’t sex but you and others are anti any fetish that doesn’t align with your world view. You also think that women who enjoy such fetishes have no agency. That’s patronising

And you still don't understand that enjoying something doesn't necessarily mean it is good for you. That people are not obligated to affirm every choice you make and support your delusions, they have every right to question and criticize. That women didn't just wake up one day and decided en masse that being strangled is the sexiest thing ever....

IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/02/2020 20:39

You can never ensure the safety and agency of participants in porn, no matter how much you tell yourself you can. It's a fantasy people create to make themselves feel better about using it.

Elsiebear90 · 29/02/2020 20:54

I don’t have an issue with porn in theory, if two consensual adults want people to film them having sex and make money from it that’s their choice. However, I think the porn industry is massively exploitative, many women who enter the industry are extremely vulnerable and it profits from their desperation for money, their low self esteem often due to abuse they have experienced in their private lives or childhood and the increasing appetite for extreme and abusive “sex”. For some women it is genuinely a way for them to profit from their own sexuality and they only agree to things they are comfortable with, however, I suspect these women are in the minority unfortunately, and many women are coerced into performing extreme sexual acts they do not want to do to get paid or because they think they “should” be doing them as it’s their job.

user764329056 · 29/02/2020 21:01

I was trying to do similar OP and came across an image I can’t even bear to describe on here, I wasn’t sure how to progress so thanks for all the helpful ideas on here, esp Laila Mickelwait

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 21:11

For some women it is genuinely a way for them to profit from their own sexuality and they only agree to things they are comfortable with,

I find that problematic too. Given the fact porn is a new drug and harmfull for individuals and society, they are no better than drug dealers.

IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/02/2020 21:25

When money is changing hands there can never be true consent. As we know in the porn industry, consent cannot be freely retracted as there are contracts involved. Women are often pushed to do more and more extreme things and bribed with more money. No-one other than misogynists and Liberal feminists would see that this is empowering or good for women's sexuality.

Elsiebear90 · 29/02/2020 21:36

I find that problematic too. Given the fact porn is a new drug and harmfull for individuals and society, they are no better than drug dealers.

I see your point, but we don’t ban alcohol because some person are alcoholics. I think women participating in extreme (or any) porn, whether they actually enjoy it or not, should not be held responsible for men viewing this material and thinking all women enjoy that. Should we not be blaming men for not being able to separate a minority of female actresses from all women? Or thinking because this minority of women claim to enjoy these acts that all women “should”? Men are the problem here imo, for not viewing women as individuals, not respecting or caring about what they enjoy and coercing women into performing acts they are not comfortable with. We can’t just blame porn, a lot of women watch porn, this is a problem with men.

Elsiebear90 · 29/02/2020 21:36

People* not person lol

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 22:44

Yes, men and patriarchy are the main problem, but women who enable it should also be held accountable. We shouldn't be afraid to criticize women when they do harmfull things, it doesn't go against feminism.

Watching porn is not gender neutral behavior, as this large scale swedish study shows:

While the report found that "many women and men of all ages use the internet for sex-related activities such as looking for information, reading sexually arousing texts, or looking for a partner", there is a massive gender gap when it comes to online porn.

Nearly three-fourths (72 percent) of men say they watch pornography, while nearly the same number of women (68 percent) say they never watch porn. Porn use is highest among young men, with 41 percent of respondents aged 16 to 29 saying that they consume pornography "on a daily basis or almost on a daily basis".

"Our results also show an association between frequent pornography consumption and poorer sexual health, and an association with transactional sex, too high expectations of one's sexual performance, and dissatisfaction with one's sex life," the report said.

Justhadathought · 29/02/2020 23:24

It doesn’t mean they want to be choked to death !!!!! It’s called fantasy

Fantasy are very often socially constructed...and that is the issue......

Justhadathought · 29/02/2020 23:26

Fantasies are often socially constructed - and that is the issue That women are being conditioned to view violence as a turn on and an essential part of sexual pleasure/activity.

Justhadathought · 29/02/2020 23:28

No watching porn isn’t sex but you and others are anti any fetish that doesn’t align with your world view. You also think that women who enjoy such fetishes have no agency. That’s patronising

Yes, and people can willingly inject, drink and eat themselves to death.......that doesn't make it healthy, though - or beyond discussion.

ClitoriaTernatea · 29/02/2020 23:29

Something for the pro-porn posters to consider.

Pornhub examples
IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/02/2020 23:51

Women who watch porn are contributing to the oppression and degradation of other women. That to me is the opposite of being a feminist.

HorseWithNoLang · 01/03/2020 09:19

Women who watch porn are contributing to the oppression and degradation of other women. That to me is the opposite of being a feminist.

Agreed.

(I believe fetishes are mental problems.)

Strongmummy · 01/03/2020 12:25

Fetishes are mental problems ?!?! Wow!

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