Pornhub examples

[Tootsweets23]

Help, I'm looking for examples of awful videos on Pornhub, as I'm trying to get something off the ground to raise awareness of how dodgy they are.

I had an OBJECT leaflet which had a list on the back but I foolishly threw it out and can't find something similar on their website.

I also seem to remember seeing a lot of screen grabs that were horrendous, but my searching isn't throwing them up.

Does anyone know where I could find some examples or if there is a campaigner who has these stored online? I'm specifically looking for examples that are of potentially illegal or trafficked women and girls, plus that awful one of a young woman being shackled. God I can't believe I wrote that sentence.

I wish I had saved the OBJECT leaflet or screen grabs - kicking myself now.

Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.

@Strongmummy the thing is your not a feminist tho are you.
The thing about feminism is that its about promoting, protecting and advancing the rights of females.
Being indifferent to the suffering and explotation of females kind of disqualifies you from feminism (and if Im totally honest, from the status of decent human too. but that is just my opinion)

On another note; I am facinated by the psychology of women who are indifferent to the suffering of their sisters. Do you mind if I ask a couple of questions,
one is do you think it will never be you? (you know being fucked over and hurt?) is that the deal
or do you think you will get special status if you are 'not like the other girls' you know compliant and vowed never to complain.

Im sorry it just facinates me.

@Chiochan don’t be absurd. Of course I’m not indifferent to women who are being abused .

However, I don’t ignore women who say they enjoy earning money from doing something that isn’t illegal, but that offends you.

Finally you don’t dictate what feminism is it isn’t.

*or isn’t

@Strongmummy Thing is that porn is one of the main drivers of trafficked women and girls getting abused and that in itself, appart from the problems porn causes young girls in relationships including their relationship with themselfs, is reason enough to be against all porn.
But you'd know that as you've followed this thread right.
Thing is, and hear me out on this, as its wild, your orgasm is not worth other peoples suffering.
Its like the Loreal add in reverse - because your not worth it.

Trafficking, raping, abuse is illegal.

Hey, hear me out on this coz it’s wild, if as a society we were taught that sex is not something to be embarrassed about, that being involved in the sex industry wasn’t embarrassing or lesser then maybe it might help educate that people involved in the industry shouldn’t be objectified

Finally, who says I use porn....coz I didn’t

If you're not indifferent to them

then how can you keep shifting the focus of this discussion away from them, and onto ...

you ?

"Finally, who says I use porn....coz I didn’t"

Ha, you haven't taken the opportunity to say that you don't, of course.

@squirrelybiscuits I see you

I haven’t said I have or I haven’t coz 1) it’s no one’s business and 2) it doesn’t change my view

Good.

How about all the other survivors we've been talking about here?

Do you see them yet?

Definitely one of those "I'm not like other girls" situations

2. it doesn’t change my view

What does that mean?

You reckon that whether you use
or abstain from porn
has no effect on your view of porn?

@IAmFleshIAmBone oh I definitely am like other girls, but just not like the ones on the Mumsnet feminist chat page 🙄

I know, you're one of the cool 'sex-positive' ones, whose brand of 'feminism' does literally nothing for women as a class, in fact it sets us back. But you don't care, because your orgasm is more important.

It's especially sad because each orgasm is a powerful, primal reinforcer of whatever 'got you there'.

"Sex positivity" is no liberation even for the individual women who espouse it.

Oh come now - sex positivity is the equivalent of consumerism. It just absolves you of morality because it is all choice. They all choose so I don’t think. Or it’s a sort of intellectual narcissism taking place where sex positivity is construed entirely through the prism of your own sex drive and particular tastes.

Porn is exactly like that - an endless menu of stultifying fast food fucking. Even without the moral qualms as to what it shows more and more which is abusive and correlated to crime, it would be enough to point out that it’s positive in the sense you positively chose to do that than anything else.

"Its like the Loreal add in reverse - because your not worth it."

I'm gonna use that, thanks!

"women who say they enjoy earning money from doing something that isn’t illegal"

To be raped is not the equal opposite of NOT being raped. If you're offered a plate with five cookies on it and are told three of the cookies are laced with rat poison, are you going to take a cookie?

It is minimizing sexual violence and its impact on the lives of victims and their families to do as you've done here and suggest that some extreme minority of contented women's financial gain somehow 'cancels out' the bodily torture of the vast majority of prostituted women's sexual violation filmed for eternal re-consumption.

"When people point out that Walmart is an extremely exploitive corporation that expands sweatshop slavery globally, destroys small businesses, and underpays its employees to the point of poverty, it's nonsensical to counter that with how some people consensually choose to bake their own bread and sew their own clothes because they like it."

Yes, sure. Of course I would deny that analogy to what I said.

With that particular example, of course most people, (ignoring communists), aren't going to call for the end of the industry just because a particular company, or even multiple companies, have very unethical practices. Rather, they would call for more regulation and reform of the industry. Perhaps you might point to rival companies that were behaving much better, to say that not all private business were doing that stuff. So it's not just that some people like to bake their own bread; it's that some food / clothing companies are OK, and you can try to improve the industry in general.

Now we need food and clothes a lot more than we need a porn industry, but that doesn't mean that it's going to disappear anytime soon.

If you tried to ban it, you would also have the possible issue of a (now) underground illegal industry. Obviously banning something like prostitution doesn't remove the issue of widespread exploitation by any means. I'm not sure to what extent a legal porn industry would be replaced with a black market porn industry, but the risk is there that it gets forced underground to a degree.

Well in the Middle Ages when I was young we did regulate pornography. Much of what is on the Internet today would have possibly earned you a prison sentence.

At the time when liberalisation started in terms of what could be seen in 1997, I think liberal opinion was that regulation was hopeless; consenting adults should be able to see what they liked assuming it was consensual.

This was all excellent in theory. But it was totally naive as to what actually happened; which there was an massive increase is extreme forms of pornography, the availability and consumption, and that technology made it possible for children to view it and increasingly be exploited to produce images. Sexual offending now is vastly greater than it ever was. It is a failure.

"No one has any use for utopian hypothetical conceptualizations, we are talking real people, real corporations, reality as it currently exists."

On the practical level, improving the industry (even if very difficult), seems more likely to work right now than getting rid of it. There isn't the political will to end commercial pornography at this time, and even if you tried, it may go underground.

I remember it being underground. Raids by the Flying Squad etc. You can criminalise it’s production, sale distribution etc. But the template for the law is there.

How you police it in the age is interesting. How much resource do you put into people who hold pornography? There are enough problems finding paedophiles and prosecuting them for their libraries.

All that was done once may be done again. It’s not impossible to regulate it again.

"This was all excellent in theory. But it was totally naive as to what actually happened; which there was an massive increase is extreme forms of pornography, the availability and consumption, and that technology made it possible for children to view it and increasingly be exploited to produce images. Sexual offending now is vastly greater than it ever was. It is a failure."

Things have certainly changed; but that's very difficult to undo. You can't take away the technology that made it possible. Banning in one country presumably wouldn't work. Getting a worldwide ban would be super-difficult.

You can’t ban it internationally. You can prosecute the people who possess it and share it. You can take powers to cross borders for the purposes of crime. You can criminalise production and all sorts of other measures. Britain did do a lot of these once.

"Now we need food and clothes a lot more than we need a porn industry, but that doesn't mean that it's going to disappear anytime soon."

Video footage of rapes for masturbation is not necessary at all and it is harmful to both produce and use, unlike clothing. It's time for another reminder that women are human beings with human rights and not sweaters or socks or other objects.

I'm glad the enslavement of black people in America was an abolished industry instead of having another layer of regulation added to dictate how many whip lashes per slave per day is acceptable, or how many of a black mother's children could be sold before the regulatory limit kicked in.

"On the practical level, improving the industry (even if very difficult), seems more likely to work right now than getting rid of it."

Pornography has stunted your imagination. If we're going to put in the work to build a better world, no way we're gonna aim at making men better punters rather than making men better humans.

Do you know how to truly be a “sex positive” feminist?

By advocating for fulfilling consensual sex with partners who respect women, their bodies and their pleasure.

Not by fetishising abuse and pandering to the male gaze.