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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pornhub examples

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Tootsweets23 · 28/02/2020 14:11

Help, I'm looking for examples of awful videos on Pornhub, as I'm trying to get something off the ground to raise awareness of how dodgy they are.

I had an OBJECT leaflet which had a list on the back but I foolishly threw it out and can't find something similar on their website.

I also seem to remember seeing a lot of screen grabs that were horrendous, but my searching isn't throwing them up.

Does anyone know where I could find some examples or if there is a campaigner who has these stored online? I'm specifically looking for examples that are of potentially illegal or trafficked women and girls, plus that awful one of a young woman being shackled. God I can't believe I wrote that sentence.

I wish I had saved the OBJECT leaflet or screen grabs - kicking myself now.

Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.

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IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/02/2020 09:50

I don't know why women degrading other women for other women to watch and get off on would be a positive.

Just because women are making the choices doesnt make them empowering or feminist.

You can never be sure of the background/welfare of the participants. If you watch porn you're likely watching rape at least some of the time.

Strongmummy · 29/02/2020 09:53

@IAmFleshIAmBone I agree. There is a huge amount wrong with the porn industry. My issue is with demonising porn as a concept

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 10:04

@Strongmummy

It's not about "my view", it's about facts. What does research on use of pornography shows:

"Pornography can shift sexual interests, behaviours and relationships. It shapes “sexual scripts”, providing models of behaviour and guiding sexual expectations, with studies finding links between watching pornography and heterosexual anal intercourse, unsafe sex and more.

Watching pornography can lower men’s relationship satisfaction. And for women, male partners’ pornography use can reduce intimacy, feed self-objectification and body shame, or involve coercion into sexual acts.

But these next areas of impact concern me most.

Pornography teaches sexist and sexually objectifying understandings of gender and sexuality. For instance, in a randomised experimental study among young men in Denmark, exposure to (nonviolent) pornography led to less egalitarian attitudes and higher levels of hostile sexism. And in a longitudinal study among US adolescents, increased use of pornography predicted more sexist attitudes for girls two years later.

Pornography also teaches violent attitudes and behaviours to both adolescents and adults.

What’s more, meta-analyses – systematic research that synthesises multiple studies – from 2000 and 2015 have found associations between watching pornography and actual violent behaviours.

Aggression, largely by males and overwhelmingly against females, is common in pornography: an analysis of top-selling and top-renting titles found 88% of scenes showed aggression.

Men who use pornography more often are more likely to practise or desire dominant, degrading practices, such as gagging and choking. And women who use pornography are more likely to practise or desire submissive practices.

In fact, longitudinal studies among adolescents find watching pornography is linked to sexually violent behaviour later in life. In a US study, people who watched violent pornography were more than six times as likely to engage in sexually aggressive behaviour. In another, it predicted more frequent sexual harassment perpetration two years later."

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/02/2020 10:07

This thread is specifically about porn hub.

Feminism centres women.

FWIW, I've found some lesbian porn highly erotic but I'm not a lesbian. I realised recently that this is because it was very sensitively done, and centred around female pleasure.

OhHolyJesus · 29/02/2020 10:08

Just playing devils advocate for a minute.

Can we be pro erotica whilst being anti porn?

It's a loooongg time ago but myself and my friends when we were teens found sexual awakening through Judy Blume. There's value in sexual exploration and I think soft porn used to be just porn in general but it's changed.

When a teenager have to beg for Pornhub to remove the video of their rape from the internet something has gone wrong with society's moral compass.

I don't watch porn but I enjoy reading some erotica (fifty shades was rubbish) but the free and easy access of porn coupled with the extreme nature (abuse, choking) along with the trends that translate from porn to sex (as above but then one guy I was with years ago told me about how he likes ejaculates on a woman and then sprays her with pubic hair for a laugh) makes me question all porn.

As porn laws have recently been relaxed (Jane Fae last year) I think all free online porn should be banned and we can go back to having to buy it, so more restrictions can be applied and it can be more controlled.

I have signed the petition. I never thought I'd miss the days of the top shelf.

definitelygc · 29/02/2020 10:11

I don't see any reason why porn is helpful for women to explore their sexuality and be sexually liberated. The reality is that porn is having the opposite effect. The vast majority of young women are watching porn and yet a recent study showed that 40% reported they did not orgasm the last time they had sex. Women do not exist in vacuums, our sexual preferences are moulded by our environment. The sudden explosion in women being choked and spat on during sex is not some kind of mass sexual awakening, it's the brain's response to a constant drip feed of misogynistic and degrading sexual images.

IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/02/2020 10:13

I think there is a massive difference between erotic and pornographic. I have no issues with erotica but I am extremely anti-porn. I think it's healthy to explore sexuality but I don't think that's what porn does, to be honest.

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/02/2020 10:15

If anyone can remember the piece by drEm it would be worth posting as it was a turning point for me and my views around porn and would be helpful for the main point of the OP.

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/02/2020 10:15

The sudden explosion in women being choked and spat on during sex is not some kind of mass sexual awakening, it's the brain's response to a constant drip feed of misogynistic and degrading sexual images.

Absolutely, and what the point of this thread is about.

IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/02/2020 10:19

The fact that anyone can click onto a website like pornhub and instantly gain access to thousands upon thousands of videos showing women and girls being abused is appalling.

Tootsweets23 · 29/02/2020 10:53

Thanks @NeurotrashWarrior yes I too made the error of googling. Jesus wept, stopped pretty quickly.

I know I've been opaque but I'm trying to get a well placed mate up to speed on the "oh my god that's horrendous" elements of Pornhub (I know there are other sites but they are the most mainstream and seen as acceptable when in reality they are hosting illegal/violent content).

What I'm looking for isn't the "hey whatever floats your boat" stuff (although I too struggle how you are supposed to know the participants are genuinely happy with their choices versus being underage/trafficked/exploited). It is the disturbing stuff that should never been online and certainly not on a site that presents itself as just a bit of adult fun.

I just have such a strong memory of a whole host of screenshots and commentary showing the awfulness, might have been here or Twitter or a blog post (specific hey!) I didn't have a chance last night but will this afternoon trawl through Dr Em's stuff and see if what I'm remembering is there. Will also relook at OBJECT thanks @SunkissesBringBackLangCleg.

Thanks so much for helping!

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Tootsweets23 · 29/02/2020 10:59

If anyone can remember the piece by drEm it would be worth posting as it was a turning point for me and my views around porn and would be helpful for the main point of the OP.

I think this is exactly what I am remembering. I found it so disturbing that I couldn't even focus on the screen grabs. I know porn has always been a backbone of the internet, but it has always been on the dark web/non-mainstream/torrent sites. For this to be now on a "legit" site with billions of views and advertising dollars is just so horrific for the women involved, the people viewing it and then for those that enact the more violent bits in real life.

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Classof66 · 29/02/2020 11:05

Watching porn did give me ed,I have stopped it,have not watched porn for over 6 months,my erection is much better.As the other posters say,it is an addiction and all it does is get worse.

n00bMaster69 · 29/02/2020 11:12

Are you wanting screenshots of terrible videos? Or of the comments?

I've repeatedly reported quite a few videos on porn hub, never have any been taken down.

Qcng · 29/02/2020 11:22

women also have particular fetishes that you may find degrading, but in fact they find incredibly liberating. For example submission. A woman may enjoy completely submitting to a man

Blah blah blah women enjoy being choked and if they are killed during sex they asked for it blah

ahumanfemale · 29/02/2020 11:22

I'm interested in seeing the article too.

I found Hot Girls Wanted (Netflix) brilliant, and haunting. The whole team was female so they had a different interaction with the girls they were interviewing. In the second one, it covered so called ethical porn. Directed by a woman. I had to stop watching because the self-congratulatory director clearly had no understanding of actual consent and once the (amateur) actor was on set and complained of being sore, she could not back out. Everybody was on set, time is money, she'd agreed to do it and while they took a bit of time out, she definitely was struggling with continuing, but had to. I've since heard about that film being referred to as ethical principles (on Woman's Hour).

So if people thing "ethical porn" by nature includes enthusiastic consent, they're wrong. If you cannot stop at any point you want, there's nothing ethical about that.

OhHolyJesus · 29/02/2020 11:42

I wanted to thank Class for contributing as it's useful to hear that. I have read a little bit about Men Against Porn and I recommend it.

I watched that too ahuman I didn't watch much of it but your point about consent is a good one, what if you want to withdraw a previously given consent? What if it hurts and you don't want to carry on. I can imagine the dread of returning to set after taking a break, knowing that you're getting paid and wasting everyone else's time, but having to go and and sacrifice yourself. Even female directors, in porn or in general (you can read absorb accusations from Ruth Wilson about the sex scenes in The Affair) can push women into doing things they don't want to do. That is not freely given consent, it's coercion and therefore not consent.

Tootsweets23 · 29/02/2020 11:49

@n00bMaster69 i am really wanting the screenshots with the commentary from the person who pulled it all together. basically, the research work someone - Dr Em? - did so I can send it to my mate and get her up to speed.

Cheeky I know but I'm trying to avoid doing it myself due to a) lack of time b) it has been done brilliantly already and c) frankly I can't face it!

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Tootsweets23 · 29/02/2020 11:57

I found it!! It was Dr Em.

medium.com/@doctorEm/tumblr-porn-and-teenage-girls-160c2a3f776e

Click on the link and get.... FFS.

Pornhub examples
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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 29/02/2020 12:06

Is this the article you are remembering?
uncommongroundmedia.com/tumblr-porn-and-teenage-girls-dr-em-banned-from-medium/

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 29/02/2020 12:06

🤣 x-post!

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 29/02/2020 12:07

Oh no mine is different - medium banned her so uncommon ground offered to host her articles

n00bMaster69 · 29/02/2020 12:08

X post

DonnaQuixote · 29/02/2020 12:14

Are there any Canadians here? Will you join protest against PH owners on International Women's Day?

twitter.com/LailaMickelwait/status/1233404255593058304

Thousands of women use to protest sex industry on streets, before corporations took over feminism, I hope we can bring back that energy since backclash against porn is getting stronger.

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