Pornhub examples

[Tootsweets23]

Help, I'm looking for examples of awful videos on Pornhub, as I'm trying to get something off the ground to raise awareness of how dodgy they are.

I had an OBJECT leaflet which had a list on the back but I foolishly threw it out and can't find something similar on their website.

I also seem to remember seeing a lot of screen grabs that were horrendous, but my searching isn't throwing them up.

Does anyone know where I could find some examples or if there is a campaigner who has these stored online? I'm specifically looking for examples that are of potentially illegal or trafficked women and girls, plus that awful one of a young woman being shackled. God I can't believe I wrote that sentence.

I wish I had saved the OBJECT leaflet or screen grabs - kicking myself now.

Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.

Strong I’m really not trying to play psych

I didn’t see that comment about fetishes

I just got a sense that you’re worried about something. It seems odd to say “not all porn is bad” on this very specific thread.

@AutumnRose1 No, I’m not worried about anything. I was better trying to understand the OP’s perspective and then entered into some debate of sorts

Strong “ I was better trying to understand the OP’s perspective and then entered into some debate of sorts”

What were you trying to understand re OP perspective please?

Whether she thought all porn was bad. As per the question I asked

"Holy crap you're bad at this, Zinco.

Zinco: What if women have fantasies of being teased with feathers, what about that, huh?"

Well OK, make the case that I have given a bad argument.

Someone was objecting to violent pornography: that you are a terrible person if you get off on that fantasy of violence towards women, even if the material is acted out. (So consenting adults)

I pointed out that the "terrible people" could include a big percentage of women, and it doesn't seem sensible to say that a big percentage of women are terrible people.

So what is your objection?

Note: I'm not going to worry too much if this stuff is "derailing" the thread or not. That often happens with threads that various issues come up that go off topic. Sometimes it's annoying yes; sometimes it's not that big a deal if new issues get discussed. If the thread starter is that upset then I would apologise and start a new thread for the issue.

I'm responding to someone else's "feminist" anti-porn claim here, so it seems reasonably on topic for the forum.

"Zinco, you keep referring to spanking, as if that's the kind of thing being discussed here.

The issue isn't primarily the 'spanking' in porn is it....

This is a discussion about the harms of the porn industry, not about spanking laws FGS."

I discussed spanking in two different contexts. One context, is someone else here claiming that BDSM is rightly criminal, and they don't appear to be talking just about the most extreme forms of it. So yes that does involve "spanking laws". Another context, was to reply to someone else's anti porn claim that the mere fantasy of violence against women makes you a terrible person. In this second context, I could easily have used a more extreme example than spanking and it would still work as an argument, but spanking was a good enough example to help make the point.

So what's your objection then? I'm going off topic from the original issue of wanting pornhub examples?

I may indeed be guilty of going a bit off topic, but that happens in threads. Other people aren't strictly on topic either. I'm e.g. replying to someone else's anti porn claim that wasn't strictly on topic itself. Big deal. If the thread starter is upset about it then I can start a new thread for it. Otherwise, I'm not going to worry about it.

Oh, and your language was very rude, and you need to wash out that filthy mouth!

We see you.

Well what I see, is that you can't actually explain what was wrong with me using the example of spanking in those two cases.

So then, I guess there was never a real problem with me talking about it...

What’s this “we see you” nonsense? Is it supposed to intimidate ?

I’d seriously suggest going to speak to women who run their own adult channels, who control the content they put out, who speak to their clients and interact as humans. I don’t get how you can say they’re being exploited!? They’re making money doing a job they enjoy. Are you telling them to stop doing it for the sake of all women !!?!? How patronising and selfish !!!! It also smacks of blaming women/those in the industry for patriarchy and misogyny. I’d suggest that if as a society we showed respect to those who worked in the sex industry there’d be far less objectification.

Nobody here is suggesting that all porn is victimless. Not at all. However, there is porn out there that is produced and includes women who very much enjoy what they do and who certainly don’t feel like victims

We see you.

I see you

Does everyone else see me....good just checking 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I’d suggest that if as a society we showed respect to those who worked in the sex industry there’d be far less objectification.

I'm intrigued as to why you think that women becoming their own oppressors is going to do anything to stop men objectifying us?

Fucking porn apologists, eh? It's amazing that they have the time. On their hands.

What about gay porn or lesbian porn? That’s also watched by both men and women too you know. I’m trying to get my head around the view that if a person chooses to use their body to make a living why that’s so horrendous. They’re not responsible for misogyny !!

I'm going to show you where I stopped reading your post:

"Someone was objecting to violent pornography: that you are a terrible person if you get off on that fantasy of violence towards women, even if the material is acted out. (So consenting adults)"

No, we are not talking about "consenting adults", stop trying to make this discussion about the fantasy you have of the pornography industry and PornHub being about consenting adults because it demonstrably is not. No more theoretical flights of goalpost-moving fantasy from you because you found a tiny bone in someone's post that you're hanging onto like your erect penis depends on it oh wait.

"No, we are not talking about "consenting adults", stop trying to make this discussion about the fantasy you have of the pornography industry and PornHub being about consenting adults because it demonstrably is not. No more theoretical flights of goalpost-moving fantasy from you because you found a tiny bone in someone's post that you're hanging onto like your erect penis depends on it oh wait."

That's nonsense. I responded to someone that was indeed talking about consenting adults. They were objecting to the mere fantasy of it. That's a perfectly valid and significant issue to discuss by itself. Of course issues of consent in the pornography industry may also be significant, but I'm not stopping anyone from having that discussion. That I talk about A, it doesn't mean that I'm stopping you from talking about B, or trying to subvert a discussion on B. I'm just responding on a particular point that has its own importance.

With your own pet issue, I would doubtseriously doubtthat it has been demonstrated that there is hardly any consensual porn in the world, and it's overwhelmingly rape. If the industry has substantial abuse going on, it's still the case that large amounts of consensual porn are produced. Or anyway, I would want to see very good evidence to deny that.

I don't think the OP post was even making that claim in the first place. The OP issue was just asking for "examples of awful videos" on Pornhub. Now strictly speaking, that OP is compatible with being generally OK with pornography. It's not saying all sites are bad, or all pornography is bad, or there is no consent in the industry. The author may think that perhaps, but that's not the meaning of the original issue of the thread.

So your own pet issue about there being no consent in the porn industry, doesn't even seem to be what the thread was originally about... but even if it was, so what? I can still respond to someone on the distinct issue of sexual fantasy.

There is no "goalpost moving" in that. Sorry, but is that the latest attempt to discredit what I said without having a real argument? What did someone say before? That I was twisting someone's words?

Maybe people think if they fire off enough accusations then finally something will work?

Anyway, stop trying to make this discussion all about your own pet talking points please.

We see you.

We will not follow your directions.

We will not take part in your masturbatory BDSM game.

Take your fetish elsewhere. You aren't welcome.

I will be ignoring you from now on. You're pathetic.

Ooooh a masturbatory BDSM game sounds fun! Is it keys in a bowl?!?

And that’s the issue with the feminist chat group on here. It’s an echo chamber. I’m a feminist , but I’m sex positive and intersectional. I have a right to speak my truth on here. Telling other women they’re not welcome on a public forum is pathetic.

And get “we see you” on a t shirt 🙄

"We will not take part in your masturbatory BDSM game.

Take your fetish elsewhere. You aren't welcome."

I wouldn't myself claim to be a BDSM devotee or anything; so don't worry, I don't have a masturbatory BDSM game for you! Even if I did, of course you would be free not to consent!

I would just defend consenting adults right to do it in private, assuming it isn't that extreme in nature; or to watch videos of it made by consenting adults.

I don't think it's "pathetic" to defend such things, but hey, you can disagree. You might perhaps have a slightly extreme perspective, and not be able to handle people thinking differently.

May I suggest, that if you can't handle different opinions and points of view, then a discussion forum like this may not be the best place for you. It may be too scary to have someone disagree with you!

When people point out that Walmart is an extremely exploitive corporation that expands sweatshop slavery globally, destroys small businesses, and underpays its employees to the point of poverty, it's nonsensical to counter that with how some people consensually choose to bake their own bread and sew their own clothes because they like it.

You've taken the hyper-individualistic "But not ALL!!" riposte to its most ridiculous and intellectually bankrupt end.

The starting premise however was all porn is bad tho. It wasn’t “porn as a concept is potentially acceptable as long as all participants are consenting adults who are paid fairly and enjoy their work”

No one has any use for utopian hypothetical conceptualizations, we are talking real people, real corporations, reality as it currently exists.

"Of the 304 scenes analyzed, 88.2% contained physical aggression, principally spanking, gagging, and slapping, while 48.7% of scenes contained verbal aggression, 94.4% of the aggression directed towards women and girls." doi.org/10.1177%2F1077801210382866

Research by Savanta ComRes last year: 38% of women under the age of 40 have experienced unwanted slapping, choking, gagging or spitting during consensual intercourse.

Above was supposed to be a reply to @exponential I'm new to posting