What do you think about the rainbow flag?

[DJLippy]

Does anyone else get a shudder when they see a rainbow flag outside a venue? Harry the Owl compared it to a Nazi flag and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm Bisexual so I should be thrilled to find all these inclusive spaces but I just feel a stab of anxiety and make a mental note to steer well clear. It's a real physiological reaction not something I can control.

A few years ago I used to love seeing the pride flag outside bars. I guess back then it actually meant something. Now I feel like it's actually a sign of exclusion - that anyone who doesn't believe that twaw is not safe there.

Also it does kind of imply that all the other venues are a threat to the LGBTQI++ people. I actually get a lot less grief being with a woman in a normie bar than I would in a gay bar. What's more its often just random cafes and shops which as far as I am aware have no gay history. Just feels like a cheap virtue signal by straight woke folk.

I'd be interested in hearing from people who are same sex attracted. Do you feel that the flag which used to represent your community been appropriated by male supremacists? Do you self exclude from spaces which fly the rainbow flag?

Transwomen are males, whether you say it/admit it yourself or not, Wotcha

Them's the facts. Sorry. I don't make the rules of biology. They just are.

I get it. You think Pens aren't paper
Chairs aren't tables Trans women aren't women

Well done Wotcha you’re finally grasping the concept that things that are defined as one thing, can’t be another thing. Defining things is what helps shape our reality, pretty soon you may have a grasp on that too.

This is YOUR take on what I'm saying, I've said nothing of the sort

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen"

The dictionary definition isn't transphobic, pretty sure I never said it was - yet again I refer you to my "intent, blah blah" comment.

Wotcha, so you think a flag saying "woman = adult human female" is ok then? You think Dr Harrop was wrong to take it down?

And I refer you to my earlier query which you failed to answer:

"Why do you believe that the intent is different from women exercising the freedom that autonomy gives to make their own choices for themselves?"

Perhaps you could oblige us with an answer now?

Biologically, yes, they're males.
I'm more than what's between my legs though, soz bout that.
Anyways WTF how has a thread on the bloody rainbow turned into a roundabout trans thread yet again lol -
back on subject, all this not accepting trans and feeling threatened and erased by trans women, it's sad that for some a flag of inclusion for all LGBT can ellicit shudders and fear because of what people read online.

Wotcha, so you think a flag saying "woman = adult human female" is ok then? You think Dr Harrop was wrong to take it down?

FFS - intent, blah blah.
I can't have said it any clearer, which is why my original comment was short and little "intent blah blah" as I knew there'd be not much point elaborating as this is what you get, people pretending they don't understand or you haven't just explained.

So a flag being flown on International Women’s Day should say:

Woman = adult human female, and adult human males who have a inner feeling of some sort, but not relating to what’s between their legs, more than that

How incredibly celebratory [slow hand clap]

Trans rights erase women's rights, Wotcha, let us speak plainly Stonewall are campaigning to get rid of the exemptions under the Equality Act and make 'gender" not sex the protected characteristic. And I will have something to say about that, as will many women.

Why does it have to say anything, let alone all that?
Why not just fly an inclusive one for women, of which there already is?

all this not accepting trans and feeling threatened and erased by trans women, it's sad that for some a flag of inclusion for all LGBT can ellicit [sic] shudders and fear because of what people read online.

Oh it's way beyond just online.

Stonewall and other organisations which comprise the Trans Lobby actively campaigned directly and in writing to the UK Parliamentary Committee for Women & Equalities to have the single sex exceptions written into the Equality Act 2010 removed.

Why not just fly an inclusive one for women, of which there already is?

The adult human female flag is inclusive for women. It excludes males. Who by definition, aren’t women. You’re getting closer to that grasp on reality Wotcha, keep going.

I can't have said it any clearer, which is why my original comment was short and little "intent blah blah" as I knew there'd be not much point elaborating as this is what you get, people pretending they don't understand or you haven't just explained.

And yet you persist in avoiding my query to you, which is this:

Why do you believe that the intent is different from women exercising the freedom that autonomy gives to make their own choices for themselves?

You expose yourself as being utterly disingenuous wotcha.

Yes, happy day of ALL women, none of which are biologically male.

Today we celebrate the wonder of the sex class who are female:

Bloody love it Daria

It's the large gametes then?

It is only and always the large gamete. That is what the sex differential is. Females supply the large gamete. Males supply the small gamete.

Yes!

Even Wotcha agrees that women are women, and men are not women! Took a long while, but got there eventually.

So what the Rainbow symbolism, via flags, badges, lanyards etc says to me is that it's a political message that is absolutely anti-women.

Me too. And I am lesbian. Not ‘LGBTQIAA++’. Lesbian. This is apparently where the alphabet soup is going and there’s nothing pro-women or pro-LGB about it.

Even Wotcha agrees that women are women, and men are not women!

Yes, but Wotcha (and others) thinks it's irrelevant and that the word 'woman' should describe anyone who believes they have internal feelings of femininity and womanness. And presumably all those adult human females who don't have those internal feelings of femininity and womanness that Wotcha claims to, but I'm not sure these days when apparently indefinable feelings are how we're basing definitions.

Although obviously women on FWR aren't allowed to identify as trans, despite fitting definitions put forward by Stonewall. So, y'know, they do know what women are if they need to exclude us.

*My personal favourite is the poster who was cross the rainbow flag didn't centre children and the elderly. Closely followed by the recent poster claiming her GP wearing a rainbow lanyard = GP likely to push the contraceptive pill on her8

It is interesting that the rainbow flag has now come to be associated with a certain predictable set of values..and one of those is 'abortion on demand'; often men trying to show how much they are understanding and sympathetic to women.....that and 'period poverty'. It has all be come so predictable.

Meanwhile, back in the everyday reality of women and girls......women often are not infrequently coerced into abortions they might otherwise not choose, because the male person responsible for the pregnancy wants nothing to do do with it........

Being female can also be about celebrating fertility, pregnancy and childbirth and the general female condition that goes with that.
Not saying i don't support abortion rights ( I do!), but the rainbow flag has now come to be part of a movement which seeks to eradicate the differences between men and women. differences which are very real and based on the fact of the female body: its strengths, potentials and its vulnerabilities.

I had a young gay man explain to me last week what the 'real' issues were for women - whereas the TRA agenda, according to he, issue was just a 'non issue'. And a "bigoted" one at that.

The rainbow flag is now inseparable from unicorns and glitter. It has been co-opted - by the TRA movement, and by pure commercialism,

As I said before, straight males i.e. the current group of transwomen, are front and centre of what the rainbow flag currently represents, so I don’t see why other straight people can’t comment on it [shrug]

And certainly not when 'everyone' is co-opted into wearing it on a lanyard or similar, or when it is flown as a flag above a town hall, or similar