What do you think about the rainbow flag?

[DJLippy]

Does anyone else get a shudder when they see a rainbow flag outside a venue? Harry the Owl compared it to a Nazi flag and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm Bisexual so I should be thrilled to find all these inclusive spaces but I just feel a stab of anxiety and make a mental note to steer well clear. It's a real physiological reaction not something I can control.

A few years ago I used to love seeing the pride flag outside bars. I guess back then it actually meant something. Now I feel like it's actually a sign of exclusion - that anyone who doesn't believe that twaw is not safe there.

Also it does kind of imply that all the other venues are a threat to the LGBTQI++ people. I actually get a lot less grief being with a woman in a normie bar than I would in a gay bar. What's more its often just random cafes and shops which as far as I am aware have no gay history. Just feels like a cheap virtue signal by straight woke folk.

I'd be interested in hearing from people who are same sex attracted. Do you feel that the flag which used to represent your community been appropriated by male supremacists? Do you self exclude from spaces which fly the rainbow flag?

Neither do you.

And there are more of us that you think.

"than" you think!

Anyway, goodnight!

Funny to see the desperate defence, so desperate! of the bleeding rainbow flag!

don't speak for all of us.

You are a minority voice here among a majority which disagrees with you.

Might that not be representative of your position here extrapolated to the wider arena?

Neither do you

I don't claim to.
I just don't feign innocence and pretend I can't see what's wrong with a definition that actively excludes trans women.

And there are more of us that you think

Somebody's eaten a Guardian.

More of a people taking issue with other people wanting to fly a flag that comes across as a transphobic dog whistle

LOL. Someone got out their Big Book of TRA Thought Terminating Cliches!.

Amusingly cross posted

I just don't feign innocence and pretend I can't see what's wrong with a definition that actively excludes trans women.

So, you want to change the legal definition of woman?

You want to change: woman - a female of any age?

You want to change the dictionary definition of woman?

You want to change: woman - an adult human female?

Biologically male trans people are not included in the definition of woman for a simple reason. Hope that helps.

There are more of us than you think - and the simple fact that that it comes from the Guardian should tell you enough! Even the leftie newspapers are reporting this now.

PULLLLLLLL By god, it's moving!

definition that actively excludes trans women.

A definition of pen excludes paper.
A definition of chair excludes table.
A definition of one thing excludes that which is not that thing.

It’s quite simple really.

A definition of one thing excludes that which is not that thing

So now we're comparing trans women to pens or paper.
Well, that's a new one at least.

yOu'Re ComPaRinG WomEn To pEn AnD PaPEr.

Do give over.

I get it.
You think
Pens aren't paper
Chairs aren't tables
Trans women aren't women.

We're just going to have to disagree as not all women want to exclude trans women.

A definition of one thing excludes that which is not that thing

A definition necessarily draws a boundary, violation of which erases that definition.

So it seems that some do want to change the dictionary and legal definition of woman and in so doing erase women.

in so doing erase women

So, seeing as people have already used the "give over" line, I might as well here too.
How exactly do trans women existing "erase women?"
Who's typing this?
I haven't automatically gone pouff out of existence by acknowledging trans women. I'm still here.

No one cares, Wotcha. We disagree. So what. Women here and elsewhere will still stand up for the rights of all female people, whatever you personally think about it. That's feminism.

Happy International Women's Day, everyone!

How exactly do trans women existing "erase women?"

Here is the logic of your argument:

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen".

Therefore "transwomen" are not female [so they must be male].

Including "transwomen" [who are males] as women [who are females] does not erase the sex class that is female.

Seriously? That is your convoluted argument?

YAY! Happy International Women's Day women!

May every adult human feel loved and valued.

Woman =Adult female. Men cannot be women! Woman is not a feeling a man has! Woman is a biological reality. Woohoo. Biology! Reality!Thy'll never go away, however much you try to browbeat us!

Happy International Women's Day to ALL women!

Happy International Women's Day to ALL women!

The illogic of your position betrays you.

You yourself are saying that "transwomen" are males - aka men.

All women, yes, but not males. Males are not women. Your grandmother would tell you this. And your mother, and your daughter. And your father.. He knows who gave birth, and it wasn't a male.

You yourself are saying that "transwomen" are males - aka men

Point me to where I said that? You're putting words in my mouth.

I refer to my post above:

Here is the logic of your argument:

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen".

Therefore "transwomen" are not female [so they must be male].

Including "transwomen" [who are males] as women [who are females] does not erase the sex class that is female.