What do you think about the rainbow flag?

[DJLippy]

Does anyone else get a shudder when they see a rainbow flag outside a venue? Harry the Owl compared it to a Nazi flag and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm Bisexual so I should be thrilled to find all these inclusive spaces but I just feel a stab of anxiety and make a mental note to steer well clear. It's a real physiological reaction not something I can control.

A few years ago I used to love seeing the pride flag outside bars. I guess back then it actually meant something. Now I feel like it's actually a sign of exclusion - that anyone who doesn't believe that twaw is not safe there.

Also it does kind of imply that all the other venues are a threat to the LGBTQI++ people. I actually get a lot less grief being with a woman in a normie bar than I would in a gay bar. What's more its often just random cafes and shops which as far as I am aware have no gay history. Just feels like a cheap virtue signal by straight woke folk.

I'd be interested in hearing from people who are same sex attracted. Do you feel that the flag which used to represent your community been appropriated by male supremacists? Do you self exclude from spaces which fly the rainbow flag?

And besides the fact that many lesbian and bisexual women have agreed, on the whole, with the OP - the LGBT movement - hugely influenced by the T is now threatening the rights of all women - threatens the very definition of women - so all women have a say now, and have a right to say males cannot be women. We have sex based rights written into legislation that is being threatened by the re-writing of the GRA. We have a say too.

No they were cross that flying the rainbow flag indicates that the organisation does not centre vulnerable groups like children and the elderly.

Yep. Still bonkers!

No they were cross that flying the rainbow flag indicates that the organisation does not centre vulnerable groups like children and the elderly.
OK, but just because they're flying a rainbow flag, why does that mean that they suddenly don't centre or bother about children and the elderly?
Is there even a flag for the elderly and a flag for children too?
The rainbow flag doesn't magically take away caring for other vulnerable groups, you know.
It's not like "we support LGBT so anyone else can all bog off"
The support will still be there for all, rainbow flag or not.

centreing the rights of elderly and children in places like schools and hospitals is bonkers?

I still like the flag (mostly because I love rainbows xD) but I don't liek what it stands for anymore so I choose to see it as just another awesome stripey pattern on material :)

The rainbow flag doesn't magically take away caring for other vulnerable groups

The rainbow flag generally means they have been trained by the likes of Stonewall who seek to remove safeguarding and present a false version of the law that rides roughshod over the rights of others.

centreing the rights of elderly and children in places like schools and hospitals is bonkers?

No, nobody's said that at all. Of course centring rights of elderly and children is important too.
Just that it's bonkers to think that by a rainbow flag flying at places like that means elderly and children's rights are automatically affected or deemed not as important.
(Well, that's my take on it anyway, not speaking for anyone else)

When I see the rainbow flag together with public displays of pup play fetishes, and no one condemning the association between the two, I assume the rainbow flag represents a lack of understanding of the safeguarding of children, and their right not to be exposed to sexualised adult material.

Despite the narrative that trans people are the oppressed people ever - I happen to disagree - I think the disabled, elderly and the very poor are probably the most disadvantaged in society, and are much failed by the welfare state - so perhaps they can have a flag and lanyard worn by NHS workers too? I mean, it's not so corporately attractive to Starbucks or Barclays, or whoever, but they are also, like biological women, are a protected characteristic, so maybe the NHS can wear 3 or 4 lanyards?

The rainbow flag generally means they have been trained by the likes of Stonewall who seek to remove safeguarding and present a false version of the law that rides roughshod over the rights of others.

I'm inclined to agree Aesop. The Rainbow flag represents Stonewall's values and, given that Stonewall actively campaigned to have the Single Sex Exceptions removed from the Equality Act 2010, those values are without doubt anti-women.

So what the Rainbow symbolism, via flags, badges, lanyards etc says to me is that it's a political message that is absolutely anti-women.

so perhaps they can have a flag and lanyard worn by NHS workers too

Why not, go campaign for one?

Because I don't have as much money as Stonewall or Mermaids, Wotcha.

So what the Rainbow symbolism, via flags, badges, lanyards etc says to me is that it's a political message that is absolutely anti-women.

My feelings too.

The Pride flag symbolises values which are unlikely to be sympathetic to a religious POV. That matters and not just for Catholics.

The Pride flag symbolises values which are unlikely to be sympathetic to a religious POV

OK, you mean like being gay/trans?
Can see that might not be compatible with your religion.
Still not clear how when you see a rainbow lanyard that means they're likely to push hormonal contraception on you?

I would really just like my existing legal rights to single sex spaces including medical wards to be respected. Is there a lanyard for ‘we obey the law of the land and won’t override your existing rights on the basis of Stonewall’s dishonest lobbying’ ?

Tell you what, Wotcha, I'll support Posie's "women - adult human female" lanyard - how do you think that'll go down? You think all the doctors will be wearing them? Harrop? Will he support a lanyard for women?

I also find this comment interesting:

The rainbow flag does not represent straight people so I feel it is incredibly arrogant of straight people to come on here and moan about it not centring their feelings.

Oddly enough, some of us women feel exactly the same way about some men who refuse to countenance the flying of a flag, or a billboard or a T-shirt bearing the factual statement that a woman is an adult human female. Yet somehow, those men are able to get the billboard and the flags removed. The T-shirts they can do nothing about other than physically assaulting the women who wear them to get them removed.

. the rainbow flag Is much more than you are reducing it to - so fuck off.

By men, you mean trans women, right? If so, not straight men at all and the rest of your post there's just no point replying to.

Well the blessed Adrian Harrop is no
fan of AWF. Many of the maddest TRAs are not TWs but they are woman haters.

Well no Wotcha, not necessarily - Dr Harrop - a man, a self identified gay man, got the 'adult human female' flag taken down.

Ah OK - yes, he did if you mean the one flying for International Women's Day?
What I don't get though, is that I've seen there's an actual Women's Day flag, so why not fly that one on Women's Day instead of one that has come to exclude people who are trans?

I want to know why "women =adult human female" was taken down, actually. What is wrong with celebrating women for IWD? But no a man had it taken down.

My personal favourite is the poster who was cross the rainbow flag didn't centre children and the elderly.

This is such a warped interpretation of what was actually said.

And custardo, you need to read the thread, rather than just jumping in and telling everyone to fuck off. Who do you think you are?