Royal Institution getting a pasting on Twitter

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"If you identify as a woman" they'd like you to complete their survey to understand what women watch. twitter.com/Ri_Science/status/1232681119939731458

That's what I thought but actually @Miriel explained it really well. Saying "if you identify as a woman" is not about being inclusive of transwomen it's about making a political statement that you consider "woman" to be an identity that exists only in your head and not a material reality.

Same with saying "my pronouns are she/her" instead of just "you can call me she". By saying the former you're asserting that you've subscribed to, what is essentially, an ideology.

Thank you definitelygc. You and Miriel, whose comment I missed before, both make excellent points.

If you want information from women you want information for a specific reason - this survey included stuff around children. Asking for people who like pink and knitting and wearing high heels does not give you the info from the demographic you actually want to hear from, it's just a meaningless wave at politics while shooting yourself in the foot. Like the expensive statistics about increasing female violence that mean fuck all and are useless and unanalysable, because the word female is a lie and actually means 'people of both sexes'.

Transwomen are transwomen. Women are women. Women cannot be transwomen - it would be appallingly appropriative and false to try and claim that. It isn't possible. You have to start by being born male. Equally, TW cannot be women.

There is no point in pretending otherwise.

How can we prove we are not a 'loud minority'. It's easy to dismiss minority voices, but are we?

Anybody remember the TERF tweet by the Royal Astronomical Society. A reminder here.

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/cc0xrn/tims_encouraged_to_apply_for_womens_grants_at/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

89 cats for every 11 koalas,i think that was . Well cats spend a lot more time in the presence of screens.

Hmm, women who have an interest in STEM are pretty likely to have battled sexism to qualify in, work in, and remain working in STEM. But of course we must be wrong about that. We must be wrong about every single thing that suggests sexism and misogyny is real because men say so. And somehow it is toxic for any woman to think that being able to identify sex is important, umm could that be because if we can identify sex in datasets sexism and misogyny is exposed?

I must be womaning wrong. I’m not going to be nice and step aside for any of this toxic nonsense.

Dismantling the protected characteristic that gave women employment protections - no.

Trashing all the work that’s been done that clearly showed that STEM is lacking in women and all the initiatives aimed at girls to try to address that - no.

And I’m mothering wrong for not supporting the destruction of systems which gave me hope that my daughters will be entering workplaces that are less hostile to women - no.

It’s actually very revealing of how men are completely blind to the structural inequity of women. If they actually had any idea how often and hard we fight against it they would not be so surprised that we are fighting now.

So the Women in Stem campaigns
to improve Wikipedia
and text books
and access
and promotions
and research grants
should accept than men can be women
really ?????

Dr Ben Britton
@BMatB
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This name rings a bell. I know he said something clodhoppingly misogynistic once. But that doesn't exactly narrow it down!

Was it this, eresh?

medium.com/tigerinstemm/diversity-and-role-models-47cb3327d425

Oh yes! But there were worse tweets where he cried about mean ladies, I think.

12 claps

Just dropping in here to say that I love you all. This thread has really cheered me up.

^TW are welcome to identify as women
but we, without a prostate gland, are women
is that exclusionary and hating ????^

This brought me up short. In the old days a penis would have sorted the chaps from the gals. Is the concept female penis now sufficiently well established in some people’s minds that we have to dig deeper and resort to prostate to differentiate? Interesting times!

Boatyard
I only specified that as I have a friend who is post surgery so no longer has a penis, but being in possession of a prostate gland is therefore not a "woman"

BritneyP Thank you.

Hi Listening. I wasn’t having a pop at you, honest - rather the linguistic contortions we are forced into.

Boatyard
No offence taken or implied. I was being pedantic in part because I am !

On the up side,
Have a look at the comments on this article

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--and yes its the Heil and yes its Peirs but ......__ www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8053851/Piers-Morgan-slams-transgender-weightlifter-competing-against-women-Olympics-spot.html#comments

Sorting by 'worst rated' shows that the vast majority don't like the MRA 'but women wanted equality' whining either.

Look at the ratio on the comment by "mystruggle".

I missed this glorious thread, and what a shame!

just a point, to be fair to this year's lecture, my 7yr old son was glued and has watched them all on repeat several times. And I liked the fact that it was a woman doing the maths for him to watch. So although it may be a bit dumbed down, it's certainly reaching younger audiences. If ds was a dd I'd have been extra delighted.