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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

12 year old daughter saying she thinks she's male

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controversialquestion · 25/02/2020 17:30

Hi
Posted this in behaviour and development and got no response. Would really appreciate some advice about who to put DD in contact with for some advice.
Would very much welcome some advice. My 12 year old daughter has appeared perfectly happy (albeit quite quirky) until she started secondary school this year. On the surface she still appears happy - has a good group of friends and social life, and is doing well academically. However, she has been increasingly saying she is self-conscious, and some weeks ago self harmed several times - we have got her some support through both the GP and school. It looked like things were settling down and she had a good half term. However she came to see me yesterday and said she thought she was actually male. She had had a period of about 6 months around 2 years ago where she would only wear boys clothes (and said she had asked friends to call her a boys name but they wouldn't) but since then she has had a number of phases, including some quite girly ones.
I had a long chat with her and told her I didn't think people could be in the wrong body - it was much more about how they perceived themselved etc. and pressures from society. We talked a lot about how you could live your life as you pleased (within reason) as a woman, and didn't need to conform to any gender norm or sexuality while still remaining a woman. She agreed, but said she felt she would feel more comfortable and less self concious with a male body or liviing as a male. She had quite early puberty and has a clearly female shape already.
We kind of left it there with the channels of communication left open, but I would welcome any advice. I certainly do not want her going down the trans route but have made it clear that I have no problem regarding whatever her sexuality may be or how she chooses to present herself / dress etc. Are there any groups that she could talk to that wouldn't encourage her to consider herself trans? I'm really struggling to be both supportive while not wishing to support the idea that she is indeed a male and could / should live like this. Obviously it may all go away in the next few weeks as she's only 12, but even if it does I think it's important she feels listened to and there's obviously something going on with her that requires support. I'm also concerned that if she talks to her counsellor at school that they will refer her to Mermaids or something similar, so feel I need to have identified another support organisation that I can encourage her to contact that won't support this stance.

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Fieldofgreycorn · 29/02/2020 13:29

Its a shame that NHS GIDS dont also mention that many children using their service also have co-morbid mental health issues

It’s also possible the extreme distress of some gender dysphoria can lead to anxiety, depression and other neurotic somatoform and behavioural syndromes.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 29/02/2020 13:41

Yes, if only the clinicians were working with adequate, time, support and evidence research to unpick the chicken and egg scenario of GD and a myriad other possibilities inc trauma, depression and anxiety. The activists push to replace gender dysphoria with an innate, fixed at birth gender identity is making things worse, not better.

That shit needs sorting quick. The new generation of detransitioners aren’t going away quietly.

Fieldofgreycorn · 29/02/2020 13:44

Yes I agree.

DisappearingGirl · 02/03/2020 22:32

Just wanted to share a link to this excellent documentary by psychologist Stella O'Malley. She grew up in the 80s wanting to be a boy and says that had the trans option been there, she feels she would have gone down that route.

www.stellaomalley.com/trans-kids-time-to-talk

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 02/03/2020 22:36

This one is also worth watching. It’s about Canada, rather than Britain, but made by the BBC. It’s got some really insightful bits about how trauma can trigger a cross sex identity.

vimeo.com/217950594

Italiangreyhound · 05/03/2020 11:34

DuLANGMondeFOREVER I wish the person who made that Canadian documentary would go back and see where they all are now.

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