GRC changes dropped?

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d19ad4fe-54d9-11ea-a869-24971f770bf3?shareToken

Bloody hell if that's true, that's fantastic!

EHCR = Equalities and Human Rights Commission. It is a statutory (ie set up by Parliament) non-departmental (ie theoretically politically independent) public body.
ECHR = European Court of Human Rights. An international court that was established and stands separate from the EU.

Speculating here whether this will mean Labour drop transgender issues or double-down and become the Trans Party. If the latter, the Lib Dems will have to think up a new wheeze.

It's very tempting to make lists of all the people who need to be taken away for re-education. Thrilled though that presumably this will be an end to Mermaids and that schools will stop teaching children that there's no such thing as biology and there are hundreds of genders.

Look forward to reading reports of people swiftly removing their pronouns from the work profiles!

And as others have said upthread, we are fully compliant with the ECHR court ruling because we now allow same-sex marriage.

Oh ok.... I’ll have to do some reading to get my head around all of that! Starmer referred to losing the ‘Charter of Fundamental Rights’ which I took to mean we were signing out of something major on human rights with a Brexit.

I’m having a sofa day today with a heavy cold on top of joint pain flares and fatigue....will use the time to do some reading on all of this!

I will need a lot of evidence to believe that this government is doing anything to protect children and women rather than simply enjoying the mess that the labour party are in

I agree with everyone who is advising caution. The Conservatives are just as prone to pandering to lobbyists as Labour. However, I do think there are reasons for cautious optimism. There is a confluence of events which highlight various negative consequences of this lobby's tactics and agenda. And they are all receiving widespread coverage in the national media. One of them is the attack on freedom of speech and the Orwellian activities of the police, as highlighted by Harry's case. This also connects with Professor Selina Todd's case and the oppressive environment in universities where # no debate dominates and is hampering academic research. The other is the activities of Tavistock and the puberty blockers travesty, as highlighted by Keira Bell's case. The third is the aggressive promotion of this ideology within schools, as highlighted by the Oxfordshire school girl case. The negative publicity surrounding these separate, yet connected events should give any politician with a functioning brain cell pause for thought. This agenda has zero public support and its myriad, serious problems will continue to become explicit. And continue to be reported.

One of the concerns (suggested by the judge in Maya Forstater's case) is that the legislative route to be regarded as the opposite sex in order to help those with gender dyspjoria, is being recast as there being a human right to be regarded as the opposite sex.

Daily Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8031787/Ministers-expected-scrap-plans-allow-officially-change-gender-simply-declaring-it.html

This is dead in the water in England and Wales. Nobody in government wants to be associated with it seems. Trans activism is causing a lot of problems even without changing the law.

Scotland - not so optimistic. But you could not have a situation where Scotland will be able to legislate so that Self ID will apply for England and Wales by the back door. They can’t. It’s not going to be legal to do that.

It does however lead to a massive oddity where you will have a huge number of trans self ID in Scotland. With all the issues that will bring.

To be honest - if it comes in in Scotland I will the first to say ‘devolute away - get tae fuck and don’t come back’ (and I’m Scottish)

You'd think the SNP would be looking at whats happening to the Labour party and thinking even just from a self preservation angle - hmm maybe this isnt such a good idea after all.

I would imagine the SNP are stupider than that and insist on pressing ahead to show how liberal they are on these matters compared to the Conservatives as a nationalistic thing.

A lot of their policy seems to be done on that basis - of course not always with such explosive results in prospect.

But that's the thing - they aren't stupid. Yet they are doing this. And the results are evident when you look first at the Libdems and then the Labour Party.

Nicola needs to protect her legacy within the SNP and also protect the SNP. Things are going to get tough for her from other directions very soon, and the SNP absolutely will not need any extra sticks to be beaten with and this just sets them up for an absolute panning from the media and the public.

Well, imo they are stupid if they carry on with it. Haven’t the SNP given this a lot of support and want to go further with their changes?

Ask yourself why they got so much traction in Scotland with politicians. Someone very senior has bought into it.

The thing is - even the article writer shows little awareness of the true scale of the impacts, repercussions and consequences of transgenderism. So there is still a big job to be done.......

People and commentators are still not aware of the sorts of situations which have arisen, and are continuing to arise, in countries which already have Self ID. For example, the Jonathan Yaniv case; issues around girls and women's sports; the fact of Auto-gynephilia and how that is behind much of modern transgenderism, and so on.....

Lots still needs to be revealed. So far the emphasis is on women's 'safe spaces' - and that is about it. We need to get the de-transitioners into the spot-light too.

I wonder how much we need to thank Nandy et al. for the airing they have given this

There is still a great need for caution, I feel. Nandy and RLB et al, will now promote this as a hostile battle between two groups - with women's groups being the most hostile and responsible; when in fact - most of the heat and urgency has been created by the no-platforming, hounding, and abuse by TRA activists; and by the cheer-leading of people such as Owen Jones; by the non coverage by the guardian and so on.......When the debate has been wilfully suppressed for so long...there is bound to be an angry reaction.

Lisa Nandy is on Sophy Ridge on Sunday on Sky News tomorrow morning. I expect she will be asked more questions about the subject.

Well done, UK!

At least the Daily Mail gets the framing right"by simply declaring"in the first line--

"Ministers are expected to abandon plans to allow people to change their gender by simply declaring amid concerns for the impact of children.

Justhadathought--You are right about this. I think it's important to point out again and again that ANYONE can go on YouTube and type in detransitioners and see the faces and stories of tens, now HUNDREDS and perhaps more, of what are unmistakably real people who regret their transitions. Who have lost their fertility and have mutilated their bodies over psychological issues at the urging of irresponsible adults who had something to gain.

Scotland - not so optimistic. But you could not have a situation where Scotland will be able to legislate so that Self ID will apply for England and Wales by the back door. They can’t. It’s not going to be legal to do that

If that does happen...it will only be a matter of time before the consequences become more apparent.......and not so far removed as in Canada - so the British press will be more aware of them.

I think it's important to show how this house of cards is falling. How the so-called "evidence" that backed up this fraudulent scheme has been shown to be a lie. That when people mourn the deaths of those murdered transgender people each year, they are almost never mourning anyone who was killed over transphobia--that the murder rates for transgender people is lower than the murder rate of other groups. And that sadly, sometimes the victims are not angels themselves, as some of them have been killed while in fights and with loaded weapons. Tragic, but avoidable.

I think it's important for people to note that the studies that people use to back up the evidence for any of the claims that they make about transgender rights are weak, ill-sourced, and frequently do not come to the logical conclusions that transgender rights activists claim they do. One example: The now discredited work of Anne Fausto-Sterling.

Ministers are expected to abandon plans to allow people to change their gender by simply declaring amid concerns for the impact of children.

That's not very clear, though. Lots of people might simply roll their eyes with "aren't there about 100 genders now?"

What is really happening is this:

Ministers are expected to abandon plans to allow people to change their legally recognised sex by simply declaring amid concerns for the impact of children.

It's time to welcome everyone back to a world where everyone has a right not just to feel free to reach for the goal of being who they want to be (as opposed to claiming identities which they may or may not have), but a right to believe that they can look out of their own eyes and make assessments that are testable based on a multifactorial reality.

Excellent. Any hissy fits from the TRAs anywhere?