Scottow verdict: Guilty

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I have no words. Reports from Joani Walsh and Maya Forstater at the Trial in St Albans

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I've been saying for years that mainstream liberal feminism is trapped in an abusive relationship with trans activism, and the truth of that has only become more clear over time.

I've been saying for years that mainstream liberal feminism is trapped in an abusive relationship with trans activism
This.

Jeeez that Wolfe man attacked a women and punched her in the face

Kate was leery on twitter. Ffs

Magistrates are just busybodies really; they have no legal training. Fingers crossed this gets heard in a proper court.

What a shocking verdict. Sending very warm wishes to Kate and ready to help dig for an appeal. I'm spitting with fury on her behalf and for all biological women. And feeling utter contempt for the legal system.

For Kate x

And it's a perfect reflection of what those sympathetic to TRAs have been saying in this and every other thread, that offending a male or hurting their feelings is as bad as or far worse than threatening or physically harming a woman. This is misogyny, on both an individual and a societal level.

And it's funny, isn't it, however much XY people might identify as women, when it comes to misogyny and who doles out the harm and who receives it EVERYONE seems to know who is male and who is female.

So women are abused and harmed for misgendering men with a "feminine gender" (Kate & Maya lost their cases - in both cases partly because they weren't 'kind' enough, Maria was chastised by the court for misgendering even though the person who'd thumped her appeared to her to be male). But you don't seem to get these cases the other way around (men misgendering transmen and getting punished by the state). And whenever GC men go to court - Miranda, Glinner, Harry, they win or cases against them are dropped. Funny that.

Jeeez that Wolf man attacked a woman and punched her in the face. Kate was leery on twitter. Ffs

Says it all really, Littl.

As Margaret Atwood said: Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.

Blimey, how disappointing!

Talking about me, character pulling, discussing me - it'd be upsetting.
Nothing to do with "hurty feelz." Anyone human wouldn't like that.

But this happens every second, thousands of times around the world on social media. That's what social media has become. Why was this one particular case chosen out of all the millions ..... ?

The case involved 16 tweets over 7 months, 9 of those in direct conversation about the Yardley case. The court found persistant does not rely on quanitiy, so we should all be aware of what this means for us all

Just wanted to add that I will also be contributing to any costs if Kate wants to take this further. for you Kate.

I'm so angry about this case.

First that the Judge actually said she had thought of waiting for the judgement in the Judicial Review - but didn't. I mean why not, ffs.

Secondly that on the offensive scale, what Kate said to Hayden was barely a playground spat, especially when you compare it with the level of bilious misogyny that is hurled at women & girls on social media all the damn time. Men are insulted because of the way they look, too.

Lots of other reasons, too, but as my BP has barely got back down to normal again post-verdict, I'm going to stop here.

What had Hayden done to Kate? I'm just wondering where you used the analogy of my bully getting me fired for me retaliating.

Had Hayden been bullying Kate?

And again we learn, as if we needed to, that while men beat, abuse, rape and kill women every day of the week, some of them never even being charged or going to jail for it, the only thing a woman needs to do to end up in court is hurt a male-born person's sense of self and fragile identity.

One mere whisper of offense against a trans woman and the judicial system pounces. Yet women are stalked, harassed and threatened with rape on the internet every day, to the point where some women completely avoid social media or online communications, and the police just shrug their shoulders.

Amazing how different the world can be if you are born male, regardless of how you later identify.

One mere whisper of offense against a trans woman and the judicial system pounces. Yet women are stalked, harassed and threatened with rape on the internet every day, to the point where some women completely avoid social media or online communications, and the police just shrug their shoulders.

I think there is a growing public backlash against this. The prominent media coverage of Harry's case and the Gestapo comments by the judge are reported at the same time as a You Gov poll which shows a collapse of public confidence in the police to investigate real crimes The public loss of faith in the police and the perception that they are operating with zealotry in certain cases whilst doing nothing elsewhere? This is dysfunctional and untenable

One mere whisper of offense against a trans woman and the judicial system pounces. Yet women are stalked, harassed and threatened with rape on the internet every day, to the point where some women completely avoid social media or online communications, and the police just shrug their shoulders.

This. The legal system is bollocks.

I agree, Bovary, and have been assuming that a backlash would be a case of when rather than if. I think some of the more sensible trans public figures are expecting it too and that's why they've been so vocally critical of the lunatic fringe of their movement. What I worry is that the splash damage from that backlash may also do great damage to both feminism (many feminists have opposed this stuff for years, decades even, but that's not the way the media will spin it) and the broader gay rights movement.

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I hope not. I feel optimistic that it won't, but I understand the concerns. One thing I notice is that the media sources which are reporting these issues have highlighted the fact that it is left wing feminists who have been at the vanguard of safeguarding and defending freedom of speech. The Daily Mail even had a paragraph within an article about RLB explaining why Lachlan Stuart was citing bullying of lesbians. I thought that was encouraging.

What I worry is that the splash damage from that backlash may also do great damage to both feminism

Indeed. For every post on forms of social media I see (Twitter, FB etc) supporting the feminist arguments, there are also posts along the lines of
"Well, the women had it coming" or "Bloody feminists. Serves them right."

Had Hayden been bullying Kate?

Loads of evidence - stalking, and threatening via Twitter. For example, finding out where Ms Scottow lives. Then - making several Tweets remarking on the golf courses near her home.

This might seem nothing, unless you also know that Hayden has a conviction for assault on a person, using a golf club.

Such a typically female crime ...

This law says that if you cause annoyance to someone by persistent use of a public electronic communications network then you have committed an offence.

Indeed. This is exactly why I suspected Kate would be found guilty. Not that I agree she should have a record for this, especially as it seems her 'multis' did NOT harrass Hayden and Hayden only found them by stalking (is that right?!). That Hayden admitted in court they knew kates uni, her family etc...kinda scary really. Hayden also apparently actually contacted kates uni? Yet, calling Hayden he is the criminal offence here..bonkers.

Online debate is potentially illegal if it annoys someone.

Indeed. This would, in any other case, open the doors for mass prosecutions, when all the women who are actuaslly harassed and stalked by TRAs all reported the abuse to the police. But oddly, it only appears to protect male people? As Carolines case proves..Hayden and Harrop threatened her MULTIPLE times..sometimes with over 20 tweets directed at her per day, threatened to go to her house/church with golf clubs too IIRC, yet police have absolutely no interest. Why? Anyone who supports this judgement explain that one?

Isn't it funny how its so clear that TW are not treated as W when it comes to what they're allowed to say.

I said this on the other thread too. TW are absolutely not treat like women in law..seemingly. Yet thats fine as it..gives a huge advantage?! Basically, say whatever the hell you like to women, send hundreds of messages threatening them, turn up where they live, no comeback. BUT if women say anything you don't like, know we will be there to instantly arrest them for hate crimes. Despite sex also being a protected characteristic in law..apparently..

This is where we are now in Scotland. It’s to unsafe for women to speak as our security can’t be guaranteed.

How is this possible

www.scotsman.com/education/scottish-schools-transgender-event-cancelled-amid-fears-for-speakers-safety-1-5055656/amp?__twitter_impression=true

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