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Glinner in Mail on Sunday today

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Lamahaha · 09/02/2020 05:36

Fabulous article:

Speaking out against transgender extremists has made me the most hated man on the internet, writes Father Ted creator GRAHAM LINEHAN

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982837/How-hated-man-internet-writes-Graham-Linehan.html

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Strangerthantruth · 09/02/2020 19:41

"Its a shame that Glinner seems not yet to have seen either the history or recognised the full entent of the "smokescreen for fetishists, conmen and misogynists to pursue their own agenda"*

This is the critical mass change point. We all have to acknowledge that there is actually a slow road to rowing back from the Yogyakarta principles which have been deliberately setup to make women fail in the international human rights arena. Being angry with each other detracts from this. This set of principles has been hijacked by men and male sexuality. Please don't lose sight of of this as target of our work, this is the deception.

ChattyLion · 09/02/2020 19:55

Same as PopeHilarious, I was curious about that too if that’s OK to ask Sweary. Man Friday was brilliant and it was such a massive boost to see you all in the newspaper and social media. Flowers

xxyzz · 09/02/2020 20:01

Think they got doxed and understandably withdrew? But Sweary will be able to give more details.

R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 20:05

Being angry with each other detracts from this. This set of principles has been hijacked by men and male sexuality. Please don't lose sight of of this as target of our work, this is the deception.

The hijacking of principles be they Women's Rights or Safeguarding by men & male sexuality is ongoing. Sometimes this is easily missed due to blindspots or confirmation biases, sometimes its ignored or minimised but we should be very aware that those men/males determined to hijack have considerable abilities to manipulate & disrupt.

NotBadConsidering · 09/02/2020 20:12

I’m still none the wiser as to what the “real transphobe” narrative is and how Glinner is part of that, despite reading Venice’s screenshot and Kathleen Stock’s speech. Are you saying Glinner is one of the “real transphobes” among us?

isabellerossignol · 09/02/2020 20:18

I bet I am what is classed as a 'real transphobe'. And I don't really care. I used to feel sorry for me who 'felt they were in the wrong body', and now I don't.

I'm in the wrong body too. I wish I had been born in the type that meant I wasn't held back by barriers, both intentional and unintentional. The type that didn't have to go through pregnancy and childbirth, the type that didn't have people talk down to me and treat me like an idiot. But I wasn't. I was born in a female body. And I had to suck it up and get on and live my life with what I got.

Lamahaha · 09/02/2020 20:29

I was born in a dark brown body. All through my childhood and teens I thought I was born in the wrong body. It was just all wrong. I hated it. The right body had white skin and lovely heavy swinging hair that you could keep tidy, preferably blonde. The body I had was worthless.

But I just got on with it, found my worth within that brown body, and now I wouldn't change it for the world. Finding that inner worth was priceless. You're stuck with the body you have. Learn to live with it.

A friend of mine's nephew was born with one hand and no feet.

I bet that little boy felt he was in the wrong body his whole life. But just had to get on with it.

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R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 20:53

From the article in OP

In years to come, we will look back at this scandal, at the ruined bodies, the confused crime statistics, the weakening of safeguarding and the rollback of women’s rights and wonder how it was left to go on for so long.

DrEm article (hosted by Uncommon ground after DrEm was banned from Medium):

(extract)
"I was sold a lie, that if you work hard and play by the rules then you can achieve, that myself and my work would be given equal consideration and weight as a man’s. How wrong I was.

No amount of research and evidence is enough in the face of male desire. I’m dismissed, spoken over because of my sex. Men’s testimony is still worth twice that of women’s. We are asked why we didn’t say anything when we have been shouting from the roof tops, but they never ask why they didn’t hear us.

When we dare to express anything other than at the minimum passive agreement with men then we are chastised for speaking publicly. Speak privately: bad, speak publicly: bad. It is as if any speech that doesn’t agree with males is wrong. That women should not speak at all? Yet, when women do say something agreeable to men they take our words and our ideas as their own.

As an ultimate insult, these men who cannot hear us then try to claim that it is our words which are causing male violence. That just women speaking is enough to justify violence against us.

I never imagined I would be fighting for women to be considered fully human in my lifetime. That we deserve all the protections of the HRA1998, EA2010. That women should be consulted and listened to if one wants to pass legislation and policies which will effect them. That we are not mere toys for men to decide what we can and can’t have. That we have an existence of our own, and were not born to wipe up men’s mess. It has been a painful realisation that men (and some women) think that as I am a woman my humanity is conditional, not absolute.

The worst sexism and true hatred of the female has been unleashed and re-branded as progressive. Political parties and former trusted institutions are promulgating the idea that a women is defined by what she is wearing, by sex role stereotypes and personality preferences. The lady brain and blue brain is being taught to a generation of school children, taking their aspirations and futures away from them. Removing opportunities and dreams. Reducing access to toilet facilities has led to a return of the urinary leash not seen since before the Suffragettes. The argument is being made that women’s boundaries and sexual boundaries are oppressive to men, our existence is oppressive to men. Reality is being re-defined by men who have elected themselves to the position of demi-Gods." (continues)
uncommongroundmedia.com/transgenderism-you-werent-listening-dr-em-banned-from-medium/

R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 20:59

But I just got on with it, found my worth within that brown body, and now I wouldn't change it for the world. Finding that inner worth was priceless. You're stuck with the body you have. Learn to live with it.

Sarah Philimore's excellent article, 'What my artifical leg taught me about artifice' published last week is really worth reading.
medium.com/@SVPhillimore/what-my-artifical-leg-taught-me-about-artifice-a64ca6f3b658

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3813472-Truly-brave-and-stunning-piece-by-Sarah-Phillimore-What-My-Artificial-Leg-Taught-Me-About-Artiface

Strangerthantruth · 09/02/2020 21:03

Big brother and the ball and chain 1968

BustedWench · 09/02/2020 21:06

I'm pretty sure I'm in the Doc Stock "real transphobe" group, I don't capitulate, and I'm not one of those nice feminists.

Cascade220 · 09/02/2020 21:09

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Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 21:15

As a feminist who places women at the center of my feminism, who fights for the safeguarding of women and girls, who refuses to accept AGP as a "victimless fetish" and who accepts no man in female spaces I'm sure in what stock would call a real transphone too.

I shall never know as she blocked me on Twitter for being rude to hayton (I asked him why he insisted on using the ladies when he'd been asked not too) the image attached reflects my feelings about this statement.

I also ask everyone

If glinner is such a supporter of women fighting the trans cult, where was his support for Kate scottow on Thursday and Friday when she was in court fighting a battle he refused to fight?

Glinner in Mail on Sunday today
NotBadConsidering · 09/02/2020 21:27

SpartacusLangClegicus

Thanks for that, but surely Glinner is in the latter camp isn’t he? In the article in the OP he states those things. He specifically states woman should be reserved for women. So I’m still not sure what camp Glinner is meant to be in.

Strangerthantruth · 09/02/2020 21:29

If glinner is such a supporter of women fighting the trans cult, where was his support for Kate scottow on Thursday and Friday when she was in court fighting a battle he refused to fight?

This is a bit of a dead cat isn't it? I also wasn't there, and haven't supported her publicly so does that make any work I am doing of no value?

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 21:29

If glinner is such a supporter of women fighting the trans cult, where was his support for Kate scottow on Thursday and Friday when she was in court fighting a battle he refused to fight?

But he's fighting his own fight, not yours, what matters to him is not what matters to you.
His goal at this time is similar.
Maybe he has supported her, who knows?
And if he doesn't that doesn't actually matter lots of people do support her.

The right to have and express all of this, all of how we feel is so important.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 21:30

So I’m still not sure what camp Glinner is meant to be in.

Maybe he's not in any 'camp' like most of the people here?

Cascade220 · 09/02/2020 21:37

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Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 21:38

Maybe he has supported her, who knows?

I do. And he hasn't.

Cascade220 · 09/02/2020 21:39

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xxyzz · 09/02/2020 21:40

No, I think that's because the Glinner threads have been overrun by 'visitors' trying desperately to shoot the messenger.

Helen Joyce is brilliant but don't think she attracts outsiders trying to attack her on MN (thankfully).

xxyzz · 09/02/2020 21:40

@ Spartacus

Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 21:44

No, I think that's because the Glinner threads have been overrun by 'visitors' trying desperately to shoot the messenger.

So people who have been on these boards for years are now "visitors" and "outsiders"?

Wow

Cascade220 · 09/02/2020 21:44

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SophocIestheFox · 09/02/2020 21:45

My understanding is that he believes that 'genuine transexuals' should be treated as the sex they 'present as' and that NuSex pronouns should be used to be kind

Well, I disagree with him on that. I don’t think that was in the article though, was it? Which is kind of my point that I honestly can’t keep up with the totality of everyone’s views on this. And I know mine have changed over the last few years, I’m sure an AS through my username(s) would bring up posts from a few years ago that I wouldn’t make now.

I’m also now painfully aware that I’m continuing to contribute to a debate that is bringing a man to the forefront, and I do honestly get how that doesn’t belong on a feminist board, so now I’m really stuck.