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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Glinner in Mail on Sunday today

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Lamahaha · 09/02/2020 05:36

Fabulous article:

Speaking out against transgender extremists has made me the most hated man on the internet, writes Father Ted creator GRAHAM LINEHAN

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982837/How-hated-man-internet-writes-Graham-Linehan.html

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AnyOldSpartabix · 09/02/2020 09:39

He’s very very talented at what he does professionally, so hopefully he gets some work picked up soon.

I hope so too. I love the comedies he’s created.

If you’re reading Graham, thank you. It takes an enormous amount of courage and strength to stand up to bullies. The negativity I see aimed at you on Twitter from random men is still an eye opener.

Lamahaha, I’m working on the same thing. Trying to suss out gender critical agents, or whether to apply for those I want without knowing is my next dilemma.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 09:42

He's not going to get work for a few years yet but that's the price of speaking out.

Murraygoldberg · 09/02/2020 09:45

Great articles, to me it seems such a simple, obvious thing to say that you can't change your sex and it's OK for boys to be feminine and girls to be masculine however sadly this does not seem to be the case at all

GrimDamnFanjo · 09/02/2020 09:51

So sorry to read about the loss of earnings @glinner has had. And being dumped by friends etc

Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 09:58

So we'll just ignore how he used terfbocker, defends agp men using female spaces, speaks over women, endorses, promotes and loves porn then?

I'll continue to support women and ignore the shite in shining Armour ta very much

Lamahaha · 09/02/2020 09:58

I've never watched Father Ted or any other Glinner show except Black Books, which I binge watched several years ago when a German friend recommended it. (I don't have TV so only watch stuff on Youtube or Netflix or Amazon Prime).

Lamahaha, I’m working on the same thing. Trying to suss out gender critical agents, or whether to apply for those I want without knowing is my next dilemma.

Anyoldspartabix, good luck. It's really hard to know who is who, and who you can out yourself to. I think agents and publishers these days would be afraid of the TRA backlash. Better to slink in silently, as I did.

I hang out on a couple of author sites but nobody, NOBODY, has spoken out on the topic. Generally political stuff is avoided. Such a pity, because writers are the ones with public voices. See what JKR did. But few of us have her clout.

I was truly disappointed the other day. On an author FB group, one female member a new member at that "came out" by saying her partner has come out as a transwoman and how supportive she is and how supportive their family is and what a wonderful new journey this is and bla bla bla.
I was like, meh, let's see how you feel in a few years time. But said nothing.

But you should just see the authors lining up to congratulate her on her bravery and stunningness and declaring how much they support her and how open they are and everything. One person, whom I had suspected might be GC because she follows Glinner on Twitter, was among those falling over herself to be supportive.

I was wondering if, by saying nothing when everyone else was being so incredibly kind and supportive, I had outed myself by the process of elimination.

The writing world is a rough and tough one and very clannish. People who say the wrong thing get horrific pile-ons, especially if they are writing YA (I'm not thankfully).

The internet forum for writers I used to post on for many years is woker than the wokest and some of the nicest people there are the worst bullies, really horrible and vindictive and full of bullshit.

But Glinner is the best. I loved Black Books. And I am in Ireland so maybe one day...

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 10:00

So we'll just ignore how he used terfbocker, defends agp men using female spaces, speaks over women, endorses, promotes and loves porn then?

He also made fun of Chinese people in that one episode of Father Ted, don't forget that, very racist!

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/02/2020 10:02

Brave and honourable man.

Thank you @glinner

Bide your time, in a couple of years you'll be vindicated.

Boireannachlaidir · 09/02/2020 10:02

Haven't read them yet but I know they will articulately sum it all up. Thank you glinner if you're reading this thread. Thank you for speaking up and for all that you've done.

Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 10:08

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost

Glad you take the Gaslighting and misogny in your stride.

Glinner does not and will never speak for me. I can't believe that I have to point out on a feminist board that a misogynistic man has no place in feminism. Have you all forgot his role in that horrible article which attacked drEm?

I despair of what this board has become

Mockersisrightasusual · 09/02/2020 10:08

Father Ted was jolly unfair to Irish people, especially priests.

(Was this a hate crime?)

Floisme · 09/02/2020 10:09

I would like to thank Glinner. He didn't have to do any of this and it sounds like it's cost him.

Also very good comments about pre-chewed, prissy art that offends no one.

And fancy little ole me being 'neutrois' (aka androgynous)!

PeggySuehadababy · 09/02/2020 10:09

Fab article, unbelievable the lenghts trans rights activists will go to.

Read about Philip Bunce, what the absolute hell? He is a man for God's sake! Can't believe he ended up on FT top 100 women in business.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 10:14

Glinner does not and will never speak for me.

Okay, I think he speaks for himself.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/02/2020 10:17

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HelgaHere1 · 09/02/2020 10:18

Father Ted was jolly unfair to Irish people, especially priests

Hmmm, priests, the epitomy of goodness and light.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/02/2020 10:18

glinner doesnt speak for me but i think hes awesome.

Helmetbymidnight · 09/02/2020 10:19

the speed episode Grin

Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 10:30

He attacked DrEm on more Than one occasion and supported a blog which attacked DrEm and outted her as a CSA survivor.
He cost kate scottow a witness, insulted her and called her poisonous and paranoid
Called sweary godmother a Tra troll
Demands hayton be allowed in female spaces
Has openly said he uses porn as "a release" (what wld he do if he had no porn?)

Glinner is no ally, glinner is worse than the tras

Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 10:32

He complains about people blocking him on Twitter but frequently blocks feminists who dare to disagree with him. He still enacts cancel culture whilst complaining about being on the receiving end of it.

In fact he goes one further. Once he’s blocked women he sets out to smear them publicly.

Bullying women out of feminist activism isn’t the work of an ally.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 10:33

Glinner is no ally, glinner is worse than the tras

Which is as valid as every other opinion here.

AnyOldSpartabix · 09/02/2020 10:33

The writing world is a rough and tough one and very clannish. People who say the wrong thing get horrific pile-ons, especially if they are writing YA (I'm not thankfully).

The co-author of my published work also writes YA and is relatively well known. She was the recipient of a vicious pile-on. I live in hope that the industry will move on. The idea that all YA books must now be censored by ‘sensitivity readers’ is alarming. Censorship of books is a sign of something very wrong.

Anyway, don’t want to derail the thread too much.

As you were....

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 09/02/2020 10:34

Amalfimamma you are the only person who has called him an Ally.

Amalfimamma · 09/02/2020 10:37

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost

He calls himself an ally.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 09/02/2020 10:44

He calls himself an ally.

He may have said and done a lot of things I don’t agree with, but you know what, at least he’s putting his money where his mouth is, regarding the trans ideology extremists and I’m glad of that. If I read through all your online communications I guarantee I would find something that I could cal, you out on. Shit happens and we all say and do things that offend others, but sometimes we learn from those mistakes, so why do you assume he hasn’t? Do you think we should all attack his brilliant piece, because he has said other things we don’t agree with, just because you don’t agree with him. It doesn’t work like that.

We know of a couple of brilliant feminists, who speak out against the trans ideology extremists, who absolutely hate each other and have torn each other apart, online. Should we take sides or follow both. They’ve both behaved extremely badly, but both have the same goal, protecting women and children.

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