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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Line Manager just "come out" as Non-binary

532 replies

SpinningTooFastWantToGetOff · 07/02/2020 18:39

My line-manager emailed everyone in the office last week to say she was non-binary and we should use they/them pro-nouns.
Today I inadvertently called her she in an email to a colleague in another office, but line-manager was copied in, plus her line-manager. Are you keeping up? Confused
My line-manager responded to the email and added at the bottom a reminder about her pro-nouns.
I do not believe in the gender identity ideology and so object to being told to speak in an unnatural and incorrect way, but what I am incandescent about is being called out in front of 2 other colleagues.
Am I over reacting?

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CoffeeRunner · 07/02/2020 22:09

Refer to everybody as “it” from now on.

To save confusion.

misscockerspaniel · 07/02/2020 22:16

I would be asking Angela to explain what she means by non-binary Grin

BlackeyedSusan · 07/02/2020 23:23

Apologise that they were upset at your trying to write clearly so that everyone understands. You were putting business and legal considerations first didn't mean to cause offense...

BlackeyedSusan · 07/02/2020 23:26

I would then use her name in emails as they is ambiguous. If questioned bring in autistic people finding it difficult.

Also email for clarification when any theys are ambiguous and don't make clear whether it is Angela on her own or Angela and other people.

74NewStreet · 07/02/2020 23:28

Attention seeking muppet.

DiegoSaber · 07/02/2020 23:48

Christina Smith announces henceforth she wants to be known as Dr Christina Smith - not fine if she doesn't have a Ph.D. or a medical degree

Honestly if they said someone said they'd be really offended at not being called Dr. Smith, I'd probably just call them Dr. Smith. Makes no difference to me.

74NewStreet · 07/02/2020 23:52

Really, Diego?

DiegoSaber · 07/02/2020 23:54

Like I said, makes no difference to me!

Bluerussian · 07/02/2020 23:57

Call her by her name or else address her as, "Line Manager". Ridiculous person.

74NewStreet · 07/02/2020 23:57

That’s nice. People attempting to distort reality and insisting I be a party to it makes a hell of a difference to me.

DiegoSaber · 07/02/2020 23:59

That’s nice. People attempting to distort reality and insisting I be a party to it makes a hell of a difference to me

Fair enough. Some people get annoyed more easily than others, and over different things. Was simply airing my opinion on it, since OP asked!

R0wantrees · 08/02/2020 00:06

I think it's the same with pronouns. There are more important things to argue about, pick your battles.

Controlling someone else's speech is an important thing.
Many will find it very difficult to use plural they/them for an individual especially as its unclear what one should do with the verb that follows eg he is / she is / they is?

Some people who identify themself as 'non-binary' want others to use unfamiliar terms

zie zim zir zis zieself
sie sie hir hirs hirself
ey em eir eirs eirself
ve ver vis vers verself
tey ter tem ters terself
e em eir eirs emself

Hmm
R0wantrees · 08/02/2020 00:07

apologies... there were spaces between the 'pronouns' before I pressed post! Blush

74NewStreet · 08/02/2020 00:23

Jesus, R0wan Shock. This is a thing? And these gobshites are actually indulged in this farcical nonsense? 🤦‍♀️

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/02/2020 00:27

I've said using them mangles my head as it is a plural and specifying one person, but I've not heard of ziezim siesie etc?
Where are you getting this from?

R0wantrees · 08/02/2020 00:30

Yes
Mostly prevalent in US/Canadian universities but no doubt spreading

uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/

Line Manager just "come out" as Non-binary
74NewStreet · 08/02/2020 00:33

What self absorbed arseholery. Utterly flabbergasting.

R0wantrees · 08/02/2020 00:34

2015 BBC article
'Beyond 'he' and 'she': The rise of non-binary pronouns'
(extract)
For example, when new students attended orientation sessions at American University in Washington DC a few months ago, they were asked to introduce themselves with their name, hometown, and preferred gender pronoun (sometimes abbreviated to PGP).

"We ask everyone at orientation to state their pronouns," says Sara Bendoraitis, of the university's Center for Diversity and Inclusion, "so that we are learning more about each other rather than assuming."

A handful of universities go further and allow students to register their preferred pronouns in the university computer systems - and also a preferred name.

At the University of Vermont, which has led this movement, students can choose from "he," "she," "they," and "ze," as well as "name only" - meaning they don't want to be referred to by any third-person pronoun, only their name." (continues)

www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34901704

74NewStreet · 08/02/2020 00:38

Surely at some point it comes back to not being able to control how people refer to you when you’re not actually present, which is generally when you’re referred to as he/she.
How is it policed? Do other people take umbrage on behalf of someone not actually taking part in the conversation and report them for hate speech? It’s mind blowing 😬

R0wantrees · 08/02/2020 00:42

I've said using them mangles my head as it is a plural and specifying one person

This is the point made in the article by Barra Kerr in the article, 'Banned from Medium: Pronouns are Rohypnol'

uncommongroundmedia.com/banned-from-medium-pronouns-are-rohypnol/

Try the Stroop Test as suggested.

BitOfFun · 08/02/2020 00:43

It doesn't cost you anything to respect their request

It does, actually.

NotAtMyAge · 08/02/2020 00:44

If you haven't seen this before, it sums up the whole mess. [grins]

R0wantrees · 08/02/2020 00:45

Surely at some point it comes back to not being able to control how people refer to you when you’re not actually present

Its not just about how people are controlled about how they refer to an individual its about modifying how language functions & so therefore controlling how people think.

UnWilly · 08/02/2020 00:47

This from Slate is quite interesting:

"Why Using They/Them to Avoid Misgendering People Could Do More Harm Than Good"

slate.com/human-interest/2018/05/using-gender-neutral-pronouns-could-actually-misgender-people.html

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/02/2020 00:50

I see you've kind of replied to me, Rowan, a link to something but not what I actually asked, what about the rest?
but I've not heard of ziezim siesie etc? Where are you getting this from

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