Jameela Jamil comes out as queer

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twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1225165342965669888

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www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/jameela-jamil-comes-out-queer-amid-criticism-her-role-hbo-n1131141

“Actress Jameela Jamil formally came out as queer Wednesday in response to critics who attacked her role in a new HBO Max competition series, claiming her judging a voguing show wouldn't be representative of the black LGBTQ community in which voguing originated.”

And it seems the community are doubting her motivations, with IW questioning if she is in fact queer as she has a boyfriend (linked below), who then comes under fire themselves for bisexual, pansexual, etc. ‘erasure’.

I had to look up ‘queer’ to understand how Jameela was applying that label, so looked up PinkNews. Not terribly helpful but in essence “queer has become a useful umbrella term for some sexual and gender minorities who do not fit into the traditional categories around gender identity and sexual orientation.”
From Twitter I read it as “It’s usually an umbrella term for LGBT+ when someone doesn't want to disclose their sexuality/can't identify with a singular label but knows they aren't straight.”

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/23/whats-the-difference-between-gay-and-queer/

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1225201756394659840

India Willoughby @ IndiaWilloughby
Replying to @ jameelajamil
Here you go, Twitter falls for it. SHE’S GOT A BOYFRIEND. You don’t think it’s odd she comes out as “queer” after being criticised for possibly taking a gay person’s place on a show? #Mugs #Coincidence #Gayface

I was also interested to learn the origin of vogue “Many felt that despite Jamil's comments, her place as a judge was inappropriate as voguing has its roots in the LGBTQ community. The dance style was part of drag competitions popularized by queer people of color and became ingrained in the community's culture.”

I am saddened that Jameela as a woman of colour has to take a third label to qualify for being a judge, and it seems a turf war could be breaking out.
Could this be the start of the backlash within the LGBTQI+ as the umbrella is now so vast, virtually all of us stand under it?

The pile-on she's enduring is quite ironic really.

I must admit though, I do still have a bit of a soft spot for Jameela...

Nobody in this "community" has each other's back, do they? It's much nicer being a feminist.

You picks your tribe and takes your chances.

Nobody in this "community" has each other's back, do they?

Nope - they are all willing to slaughter each other in order to win that precious 'Most Woke' crown.

The pile-on she's enduring

Good. I hope it continues.

and if she means she is 'bisexual' because she has had some sort of sexual feelings towards another woman at some point, or did bits with another girl at school or something, then fuck it I'm bisexual too as are probably most women.

I'd tend to agree with the direction of your thinking here, but it does seem to run into problems with the very tight definitions that some want to ascribe to labels used to describe sexuality. I would not be at all shocked if that is what she does mean.

Yes, I think if it's about always having hetero relationships but having had feelings for and experiences with women I am queer. Except I realise there is a lot more to being queer than that and don't claim to be anything on the LGBT spectrum, not because I am ashamed but out of respect for people whose sexuality is genuinely not hetero.

Agree. Compulsory heterosexuality, and plain old availability of partners due to local demographics play a part. Hopefully we’ve moved past the concept of the only legit bisexual as a polyamorist or someone who does rapid serial monogamy with both sexes (MF sequentially or not valid)

It’s a BBC news item now. Presumably a quiet news day
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51399416

Ben Hunte’s style of writing feels laborious to read because of the endless definitions.

Of course she's queer.

Imagine the horror of being a 'cis-female'!

I hope she didn’t just say it and hope it would fly under the radar. Her granny will read it now! ‘What this now dear? So you’re gay now?’

There is a bit of a backlash about ‘pan’ from the woke bis, so maybe the younger ones are distancing themselves from it for that reason. Apparently it’s also transphobic, as ‘if you need a different sexuality to include trans people, you’re saying you don’t really see them as their presenting gender’.

This is great and entirely logical. It's going in my notebook of Things To Outwoke With.
I got offended on trans people's behalf on Twitter in response to a TWAW-spouting semi-well-known person getting some basic facts confused. Instead of apologising/correcting herself she blocked me how will she learn to get ahead of the spiral with that sort of behaviour?!

I don't really get what being part of the culture has to do with presenting the show anyway. I don't think Noel Fielding is a prolific baker and Tess Daly isn't a dancer. It's not required for the job.

Yes, I think if it's about always having hetero relationships but having had feelings for and experiences with women I am queer. Except I realise there is a lot more to being queer than that and don't claim to be anything on the LGBT spectrum, not because I am ashamed but out of respect for people whose sexuality is genuinely not hetero.

Yes, this is how I feel - I should say I was being ironic in my post earlier.

Yes, I realised that *callofdoodee'. Just referring to JJ.

I’ve not got much more to add but and nodding vigorously at all the comments here – I wish these was a like button! I agree that queer is often used to signal that an individual is not as boring as all the normal straight folk and completely agree with whoever upthread used the “not like my mum” analogy. It’s funny because when I was a teenager (early-mid 90s, gen x) we are all about being alternative and individuals. I used the word alternative like a badge to show who different and unboring I was compared to all the mainstream folk and scoffed at the oldr generation who pointed out that those of us who claimed to be individuals all dressed alike and had the same interests and mindsets, not very alternative really. Now I’m an old gimmer I see the woke trend being exactly like that but the difference, and the danger, is that rather than being confined to teenagers, adults are also competing to be the wokest and the discourse has entered the media, social and political policy etc.

My brother is married to a very young (there is an 18 year age difference), very woke, blue-haired, pansexual individual. As far as I can work out, she’s pansexual because she snogged a couple of girls at parties as a teenager and finds certain women in the media very attractive. I once agreed with her that Emma Watson is indeed a beautiful women and got a lecture about how I can’t possibly think this way because I’m straight (or, in her words “cishet”) and that I was appropriating her gayness which is the worst form of literal violence against the LGBTQ+ community. I’ve tried talking to her about my life experiences, which, as far as I can see are exactly the same as hers – had some drunken girl-snogs/experimentation in my youth, long term relationship with a man but she just recoils in horror, telling me that I’m nothing like her and that I really don’t understand sexuality definitions. The only difference I can see is that she is a young, nubile 24 year old and I’m a frumpy 40-something who clearly doesn’t fit her narrative. For the record, I’m not suggesting that she is definitely straight or even that I might be bi – I was simply trying to find some common ground. Anyway, shortly before she married my brother, they came around to our house to tell us something very very important and serious. My brother then came out to us as “queer”. We were very supportive (interestingly, I’ve had way more LGB friends than him over the years) and asked some gently probing questions about him coming to terms with his identity, through which it was revealed that he has no attraction to anyone of the same sex and never has but as he was marrying a pansexual woman, this now meant that he is no longer strictly straight and they do not want to be defined as having a heterosexual marriage. So he is now queer, she is pansexual and they are in a queer relationship. Again, I have no issue with any sexual preferences, I completely agree and understand that bi-sexual people can have long-term relationships with members of the opposite sex and would defend to the death anyone’s right to still identify as bi in that situation. But dear god, I’m sick of the woke virtue-signalling.

Jameela may be bi and the fact that she is in a relationship with a bloke has no bearing on that whatsoever. I suspect though that if she were bi, he would have said so. Queer seems like a word to hide behind, to signal that “yes, I’m a woman attracted to men but I’m really fun and exciting and an LGBTQ ally so I need a word to describe all that” and that seems like a slap in the face to all those who had the word spat at them as a term of abuse and who have fought to reclaim it for good.

Agree. Compulsory heterosexuality, and plain old availability of partners due to local demographics play a part. Hopefully we’ve moved past the concept of the only legit bisexual as a polyamorist or someone who does rapid serial monogamy with both sexes (MF sequentially or not valid)

I don't think there are really tight boundaries around this, but I think there are a lot of women who might be or have been occasionally sexually attracted to other women, but - I'm not quite sure how to describe this - it doesn't have the same quality as their attraction to men. It's in some way more limited, maybe. I've certainly been attracted, even very attracted, to female bodies on occasion, but with two caveats I feel are significant, one being that I don't feel the same kind of emotional attraction I do for men. In a way it's a very shallow sexual attraction. And the second thing is probably related which is it's a fairly narrow sort of youngish attractive woman that I tend to think of that way, which isn't really the case with men. The latter is something I didn't realise when I was younger, in part because my attraction to men at that age was also not as mature, so it seemed more similar.

I've never called myself bisexual, but some might. I get the impression though from talking to women that it's not an uncommon sort of phenomena.

Man marries woman = queer? No just desperate for attention and to appear ‘unique’. Luckily my brother is very gruff (and even if he wasn’t he - and his wife/partner/whatever - would have the merry piss taken for taking nonsense)

It’s funny because when I was a teenager (early-mid 90s, gen x) we are all about being alternative and individuals. I used the word alternative like a badge to show who different and unboring I was compared to all the mainstream folk and scoffed at the oldr generation who pointed out that those of us who claimed to be individuals all dressed alike and had the same interests and mindsets, not very alternative really.

That sounds very familiar. I thought the alternative kids were very cool when I started high school. My parents kindly didn't point out that they were actually all following the same model, but I eventually clued in myself. Maybe in part because I never quite fit in with them and ended up hanging out with a group of kids who were considered very "normal" and uninteresting, though in fact that was far from the truth.

But it does make you wonder, if a 17 year old can see through that stuff how are these adults falling for it?

Do you know what, let them eat each other. Queer this, apporiation that, check your privilege this, stay in your lane that

yeah it's quite funny watching them deal with their woke struggles.

I am waiting for the badge "hetero" to be reclaimed. At that point, I will know the purity cycle has come the full circle.

I'm waiting for 'my sexuality is one of your business - and I don't care about your orientation either' badge but it may need a very large pin.

She's an attention seeking to shite. I can't stand her

Maybe JJ just doesn't identify as cis and therefore must be queer... in which case, there are a whole lot of us!!

And how does IW get away with that tweet when if one of us said..

'Heh, Twitter fell for it, he claimed to be trans when he took a female person's place on an all women's short list, as a women's officer, on a women's ward, in a women's prison, in a women's toilet, in an award for women.. #womanface' we would be hauled off by the police and told that these thoughts had no place in civilised society and could be offensive to someone who heard we had said it.

I really hope IW was being ironic but I doubt it.

Thank you @CreaturefromtheDeep for articulating exactly what makes me wince so much about it all.

I’ve got young friends in their 20s who use the term queer to describe themselves. I’ve probed a bit & in both cases they are women who’ve only dated men but think women are beautiful and that kissing one experimentally would not be beyond the realms of possibility.

They don’t remember the days of “queer bashing”, section 28, the fight to equalise the age of consent & the many many battles LGB ppl had to fight

To them it really does seem to be a way of showing they’re not like their boring old parents

So yes I agree about the slap in the face to all those who had it spat at them as a term of abuse