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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jameela Jamil comes out as queer

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ItsLateHumpty · 06/02/2020 07:18

twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1225165342965669888

See screen shots attached.

www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/jameela-jamil-comes-out-queer-amid-criticism-her-role-hbo-n1131141

“Actress Jameela Jamil formally came out as queer Wednesday in response to critics who attacked her role in a new HBO Max competition series, claiming her judging a voguing show wouldn't be representative of the black LGBTQ community in which voguing originated.”

And it seems the community are doubting her motivations, with IW questioning if she is in fact queer as she has a boyfriend (linked below), who then comes under fire themselves for bisexual, pansexual, etc. ‘erasure’.

I had to look up ‘queer’ to understand how Jameela was applying that label, so looked up PinkNews. Not terribly helpful but in essence “queer has become a useful umbrella term for some sexual and gender minorities who do not fit into the traditional categories around gender identity and sexual orientation.”
From Twitter I read it as “It’s usually an umbrella term for LGBT+ when someone doesn't want to disclose their sexuality/can't identify with a singular label but knows they aren't straight.”

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/23/whats-the-difference-between-gay-and-queer/

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1225201756394659840

India Willoughby @ IndiaWilloughby
Replying to @ jameelajamil
Here you go, Twitter falls for it. SHE’S GOT A BOYFRIEND. You don’t think it’s odd she comes out as “queer” after being criticised for possibly taking a gay person’s place on a show? #Mugs #Coincidence #Gayface

I was also interested to learn the origin of vogue “Many felt that despite Jamil's comments, her place as a judge was inappropriate as voguing has its roots in the LGBTQ community. The dance style was part of drag competitions popularized by queer people of color and became ingrained in the community's culture.”

I am saddened that Jameela as a woman of colour has to take a third label to qualify for being a judge, and it seems a turf war could be breaking out.
Could this be the start of the backlash within the LGBTQI+ as the umbrella is now so vast, virtually all of us stand under it?

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isabellerossignol · 12/03/2020 13:25

She really is tedious.

bettybeans · 13/03/2020 01:54

She has basically just compromised her entire "brand" to hand them some sort of undeserved legitimacy for a short period of time, right before they go back to doing exactly what it was they did before. What a sucker.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 13/03/2020 08:14

unrealistic beauty standards are wrong, but can't make the leap to understand that this isn't because it leaves out the women who don't fit those standards from being made into objects to wank over

She can't see a way for women to define themselves for themselves, so she's still working within the male value of 'women need to be fuckable at all times no matter what else they do in their lives and this should be given utmost importance.'

Upfield this is perfectly articulated - and despite being here for getting on 10 years, it's the first time that's really clicked for me - crazy how even when you've had your eyes opened, someone can still highlight a bit and make you think even more!

zanahoria · 14/03/2020 09:52

more insights from Jameela

pbs.twimg.com/media/ETAjBHyU4AAN0My?format=jpg&name=medium

Siameasy · 14/03/2020 13:01

Celebs like her are the biggest consumers of all. Everything they do is completely unnecessary and superfluous.
Mother Nature wants us to stop moving? Yeah ok. Idiot.

FloralBunting · 14/03/2020 17:10

How is that sentiment from JJ any different from the religious loons suggesting COVID-19 is a punishment from the Lord?

People just love to enjoy the idea that random suffering is just desserts, and that they are on the side of the angels. Sheesh.

OhHolyJesus · 14/03/2020 17:21

This is essentially Gaia theory. How JJ bridges this theory of Mother Nature (planet earth being self-regulatory) with the man-made synthetic hormones and surgery I don't know.

She's really not the brightest.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/03/2020 20:51

That's an awful thing to say :(

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/03/2020 21:04

A woman tried to tell her that she shouldn't say this and it's not someone's fault if the get it.

Nasty replies.

twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/123871980339464192

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/03/2020 21:05

twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1238719803394641921

Lordfrontpaw · 14/03/2020 21:17

Didn’t she go to a dance school? Her parents should ask for their money back.

Lordfrontpaw · 14/03/2020 21:18

Sheesh, the irony - ‘fancy’ school not ‘dance’ school 🙄

ItsLateHumpty · 14/03/2020 21:45

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo that page has already been deleted - she must've had her arse served to her.

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ItsLateHumpty · 14/03/2020 21:50

Second link works and she should mute herself! Is she a netmum or just rude with her 'hun's Hmm

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ChattyLion · 15/03/2020 02:28

Jameela Jamil put Janet Mock top of her list for International Women’s Day inspiring women for the BBC.

So far so predictable from Jameela Jamil, but I think it’s very poor journalism of Newsround as the BBC’s kids news programme, not to mention (in their explainer piece for kids about the inspiring women nominated): that Janet Mock is a transwoman, or a male born person who identifies as a woman.

Surely this material fact is also why Mock has done the campaigning work Mock has done, and Janet Mock’s work is presumably what has inspired Jameela Jamil?

www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/51756203?collection=international-womens-day

I think the BBC has a duty to be clear for kids that transwomen are not the same category as biological women. Some kids watch Newsround every day at school, because it is ‘the news’. Children will take what is said as fact.

The BBC are making a political choice, that TWAW, as our national broadcaster and are presenting that as a factual matter. Mock is American so no UK GRC outing legal issues would apply to mentioning Mock’s gender identification reason for being included in womanhood.

I think it’s highly inappropriate to present purely political and highly controversial ideas as fact like that. It would have been fine if they had just said ‘transwoman’ in the blurb. Or do they think this is not an issue to be mentioned because Mock passes in photos, which is surely a transphobic notion even within genderist politics?

Mock is quoted on this as saying: ‘I have such a difficult time with the concept of "passing" because I feel it gives this idea that there's some kind of deception or trickery involved in our identities. I am a woman, people perceive me as a woman, and when I walk on the street, I am not "passing" as anything. I am merely being myself.
Often, my trans-ness does not lead the way when I walk into spaces and that allows me safety and anonymity. And because trans people are marked as illegitimate, our bodies and identities are often open to public dissectionand this is a major burden for many trans people, a burden that I often do not have to carry in every space I enter because of the way that I look. Our safety should not be based on the way that we look.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/20/transgender-janet-mock-passing-realness

Also: ‘ Mock often talks about the burden of representation. She might be regarded as a spokeswoman for trans women, but she does not pretend her experience is representative. For one thing, she was fortunate enough to be able to choose whether to disclose she was trans. Many trans women do not have that privilege – their appearance gives them away.

[Mock] has said that without her smile and her MA in journalism, nobody would have listened to her.The ‘pretty privilege’ can give you access to spaces, just like your able body gives you access. But it makes impossible beauty standards for many other trans girls who are struggling with that right now .’’

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/apr/15/janet-mock-id-never-seen-a-young-trans-woman-who-was-thriving-in-the-world-i-was-looking-for-that

Choosing a transwoman in the first place as one of or thenmost ’inspiring woman’ on one’s personal list on International Women’s Day is a whole other post, but that’s all on Jameela Jamil..

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