All the best to Kate Scottow in court tomorrow

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@BustedWench: we haven’t forgotten. I have a prior commitment tomorrow but fully intend to be there to support you on Friday,

Thanks for the updates Maya & well done Kate. I hope you have a peaceful weekend.

Let's hope this judge knows the difference between a tweet and an email

They're very different things - Kate's was a criminal trial, whereas Harry brought a judicial review against the College of Policing

But didn't Scottow get arrested for the sort of non crime the FairCop case is against?

From the DM article "Ms Hayden replied: 'It is one thing to take a very legitimate point of view, that trans-women are not women, or that your sex cannot be changed, that is one thing."

Hold on, isn't that considered hate speech if a woman says it?

I'm very confused.

@BustedWench. It was a long difficult day for you today but you showed strength in the face of it all, you were amazing x

But didn't Scottow get arrested for the sort of non crime the FairCop case is against?

No. Scottow's is a criminal case for improper use of a public electronic communications network. It's probably this provision: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

127 Improper use of public electronic communications network

(2) A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
...
(c) persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.

As an aside its worth noting that a person ... for the purpose of causing annoyance ... to another ... persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network means that much of the use of the Internet that is taking place all of the time is criminal. (But of course, the Police will only use the Communications Act 2003 against certain people on behalf of special people.)

That's another stupidly broad law that needs to be thoroughly amended.

causing annoyance ... to another

Terrible, terrible law. Maybe we should have a work to rule, and just anything that annoys us on t'internet should be reported.

It is one thing to take a very legitimate point of view, that trans-women are not women, or that your sex cannot be changed, that is one thing

Good, because I have that view, as do most people.

It’s like a playground squabble. I’m sure school teachers deal with worse every day. To think it has ended up taking two days in a court of law is beyond belief.

I think Kate was an idiot to keep on at Hayden from other accounts, but god, how many socks does Hayden have?

I really hope Kate is found not guilty, but I have my doubts I’m afraid. No matter how stupid it seems to us, or how much it happens to others, or that women get far far worse when the police couldn’t give a shiny one, she did actually do what she is accused of.

I do hope I’m wrong though because I think it’s beyond ridiculous that this has even caught the attention of the police, let alone made it to a court room.

Sometimes you really do have to pick your battles, and having silly twitter spats with our lawyer friend would not seem to me to be a battle worth fighting. Our lawyer friend seems to get into trouble well enough on our lawyer friend’s own.

Hats off to the Daily Wail for that article

And a shout-out to Mumsnet too!

Having said all that, if Kate is found guilty then our lawyer friend should also face charges. Our lawyer friend is a woman now, so should be treated like one.

@MForstater were any of Hayden's gleeful, bullying tweets (e.g. to Caroline) revealed in court?

It is one thing to take a very legitimate point of view, that trans-women are not women, or that your sex cannot be changed, that is one thing

Ooh, Steph's going to bring the wrath of the TRAs down on Steph's head for that

our lawyer friend should also face charges

Sadly we know the Police would have no interest in acting because it wouldn't suit their purposes. It might be possible for someone to launch a private criminal prosecution but that would cost a fortune and could easily go very badly wrong.

This is what is mind boggling to me, Steph can breezily say that trans women are not women, does that then make them a bigoted te*f?

Or is it just us XX women that get called that, when stating the obvious?

Just us, happy.

The Mail article appears to have been updated. Lovely pic of Kate.

I hadn't know about the previous six months at her Majesty's pleasure.
That's quite a cv our learned lawyer has.

*known

A real inequality showing up here. Transwomen ARE women - so we are told - and argue that they should be treated exactly as women in the law - and yet transwomen have this extra protection because of their trans status under law.

What does that make women then - second class citizens?

The mail article is quite good. Lots more information.

Hayden gets PIP for memory loss?

Someone did an FOI to the law courts to get a list of previous court cases.
Unsuccessful so the only way , I think, is to trawl through court listings.
I'll post the link later. On my phone.

Me neither Fannycann, quite a lot of very interesting information coming out the trial.

Hang on the police corrected Kate for not using the preferred pronouns. That's just...