Impressive new article by Debbie Hayton.

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I've not been Debbie's biggest fan, but this is changing my view. Thankyou Debbie for owning your autogynaphilia, and writing about it .

The irony is I'm not sure guidelines allow me to use that word?

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I'm not sure if Debbie still does but Debbie certainly has used women's toilets and facilities in the past.

I've gone back and read it again, given that I suspect I missed something! I did! I read it with my 'be kind' head on, didn't I? sad

It's easily done.

Funny...if I were to say what Debbie, a self-described AGP says about "the elephant in the room", I'd be deleted.

Great article. There'll be ructions aplenty when they see this. Lol.Wish I was a fly on their walls.

Also saw this article and was impressed..but also astounded. Couldn't Debbie be sacked over this?

Admitting that their being a transwoman is sexually motivated and telling your pupils to call you miss?

How does that tally with their school safeguarding policy?

It's mind boggling.

Nailed it Datun

This is a no-win situation for women - don’t accept what Debbie is saying and there will be people calling out ‘transphobe’; do accept it and therefore be part of the fetish. The fact that Debbie is able to publish and discuss this (and remain in a job working with women and children) is itself sign of how far this ideology has become mainstream. It is just pushing the boundaries a little bit more by being open about it.

As far as I'm concerned, anything which helps to progress the truth and reality of this madness is welcome.Regardless of any criticism or complaint, I think it is very brave of Hayton to write this piece.

Almost as interesting are some of the comments beneath, such as "men want to be women because women are so privileged".....before being corrected with the fact that many young girls who are seeking to transition, don't seem to be aware of this.

I don't consent

Are there really a significant number of people who would not see a glaring problem. with a self confessed autogynephile, in women's clothes, teaching children? Telling them to call them Miss and using (certainly until lately) facilities for females?

Good article, thanks for sharing OP. Would Debbie be prepared to give up the pronouns? Would the school be prepared to employ "a man in a dress"?

Dammit I too was in 'be kind' mode.

But it's still an important admission, which can only help our cause.

I'd also forgotten about the humiliation aspect associated with autogynephilia, but I'm still willing to give Debbie kudos for publishing the article.

Re teaching children in light of this, well shit now there's a whole fecken herd of elephants in the room.

I don't care if any man wears women's clothes really. But ISWYM.

Seriously, no woman should be an unwitting participant in a man's fetish.

And as for making children participate...

For their own emotional purposes, members of a militant and vociferous group within our own ranks have found a way to embed a lie at the very heart of our public discussion about gender.

For the rest of society to acquiesce to this lie is not only a betrayal of science, but of democracy. When society realises that there is no rational basis for gender ideology, the backlash may be very severe indeed.

Whatever problems there are with this individual and/or the writing of this article as part of his paraphilia, I wholeheartedly agree with this.

I agree that the causes and possible reasons for gender dysphoria really need to be discussed and more widely considered.

Co-morbidity is another thing that should be investigated, thoroughly. I've said before that I'm quite amazed at how little call there seems to be for solid, quality research - this could only help everyone, surely?

I'm quite amazed at how little call there seems to be for solid, quality research - this could only help everyone, surely?

No, it won't help the TRAs, will it? Actual, scientific, impartial research would blow their arguments about 'feelings' and 'identity' out of the water. But no one will will touch this research with a barge pole, because of the hateful backlash it would unleash. In the 21st century in the western world we're in the unbelievable situation of our public discourse and our scientific study being held to ransom by a small number of militant activists determined to shut down any and all debate, while simultaneously ensuring that trans ideology is taught in every classroom in the country.

If I was a fly on the wall, I would think that seeing this play out in a real life, real time way is absolutely fascinating.

DH did use women’s spaces in the past, but has also been critical of TRA positions. DH engaged with women (sometimes on here) about their entitlement to women’s facilities. It was hotly debated. DH elects to no longer use them.

Now this. But of course none of us are flies on walls are we? We are all involved. Whether we want to be or not, and the facts of DH’s admission are that many women and girls will have been unwittingly playing a role that they may not knowingly have consented to.

It sounds like Debbie is going though a process of awakening understanding. The tragedy is that doctors have allowed Debbie to go right down the road of surgery and hormones before that process is complete.

OMG, JollyYellaHumberElla, for a moment, I silently commiserated with you on your DH situation.

Ah Temptress I see reading back that does look confusing!!

I imagine there will be an argument over true trans etc; agp isn't welcome under the umbrella

Yes, but it doesn't matter.

We can never tell just from looking who's AGP and who's not but we can sure as hell tell a male body from a female body. (as can other non-human mammals such as dogs - regardless of what the person in question is wearing).

For safeguarding of children, there needs to be sex - not gender - segregation. For safety, privacy and dignity of women and children there needs to be sex (not gender) segregation.

Debbie seems to now understand this basic fact. I get why some people are uncomfortable with his stance in the past and concerned about his wife, but Debbie is a scientist and although it has taken some time has come out on the side of science and fact. Which I think is overall a good thing. I hope his wife is OK. It can't be easy being in this marriage - even though I suppose it's probably better that he's being honest at least.

I wonder if Debbie would be happier if they just detransitioned? Their life seems quite sad.

Although AGP adds a huge layer of oh hell no the fact remains that it's not appropriate for any males to be in women's spaces. So although it would be great if we could talk about that and get the public to a point where they have a realistic understanding of what it is and what proportion of male transitioners it represents I fear that what's actually going to happen is furious denial followed if that doesn't work by attempts to insist that every individual wanting access to women's spaces is No True AGP.

Yes, snowblight. The doctors treating Debbie should have exercised more caution and investigated the possibility of AGP before any hormones or surgery were recommended.