Bearded trans woman beaten in Oregon after using women's bathroom, beater charged with hate crime

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Lauren Jackson, a homeless trans woman who used a woman's bathroom in a state park, was beaten by an Idaho man after his wife complained that Jackson's presence made her uncomfortable. I think we can all agree that an assault charge is reasonable. Is it reasonable to call this a hate crime?

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Yes but there’s thousands of threads discussing that, I think it’s disrespectful to go on about it on a thread discussing an attack on a person, an attack that was likely fuelled by similar reasoning to which you are stating.

Victim blaming is uncalled for when the victim was acting within the realms of the law and in my opinion, this thread is getting uncomfortably close to the ‘well, she was wearing a very short skirt’ mantra.

attack that was likely fuelled by similar reasoning to which you are stating

No. The logic of violent men is not the logic of feminist women. That's why you're getting so much pushback.

No, that isn't known what fuelled the attack.

Its not been said.

So, sorry, what now? Throwing around accusations of victim-blaming which you're not going to get away with.

Literally noone is victim-blaming, certainly not me so you're wrong, very wrong there.

The logic different - yes, undoubtedly.

The core conclusion that a TW should not use women’s toilets is the same.

If you have a problem with that conclusion then explain why. If you do not have a problem with the conclusion then why do you want us to go around in endless circles about it?

Are you for real?

No, I agree with that conclusion. What I don’t agree with is the attempts to virtue signal and emphasise the fact the TW shouldn’t have been there on a thread about the attack on them.

It’s tactless and the comments regarding TW’s ‘intent’ makes it more personal and less about the actual issues, which is policy designed for all parties to fail.

But its all based around a womans upset at her finding what she said was a man in the toilets that she was using and presumably upset about because she wanted privacy and felt invaded.

You are conflating discussion of issues around that person going into a toilet being used by a female and consequently upsetting them, with a violent attack, as victim-blaming when its not.

I don't know why you would do that, but its completely unreasonable.

People aren't virtue signalling. They're expressing their opinions.

Ladies, be nicer!

I naturally assume that men would be put out by my arrival at a urinal. Its not difficult is it to understand why.

I really don't get this approach.

I can see why men wouldn't like it, why do some.refuse to see why the reverse is also obviously the case.

The way the bias crime law is written in Oregon it depends on what the victim feels the motive was.

One thing has been bugging me about this CNN report. Not just one thing. One of the things.
As far as I know Oregon has restroom signs at the state parks with both male and female as well as disabled international symbols. So there's no "women's restroom" in any Oregon state parks.

Oregon, Washington and Cali all have clearly marked women's bathrooms and separate men's bathrooms.

There are some single room unisex showers.

We are speaking of an Oregon state park. The laws are not uniform in these three states, no more than the signage is.

I've stayed extensively in all three states parks.

Clearly marked single sex bathrooms. Some shower facilities are stall based and clearly marked single Sex with clear signage.

I live there.

Regardless of laws that undermine single-sex spaces and unless it's really the case that there are only unisex facilities in Oregon campsites (seems unlikely Bewilderness?) Truth points to an underlying principle. Men who say they are women - occasionally, temporarily, recently, permanently - feel entitled to use any women's spaces, services and opportunities, and to shut us up with cries of 'bigot' if we try to push back. This is surely the main issue.

From a friendly Oregon camp warden...

Is that signage current? I ask because the requirements for gender neutral restrooms in Oregon state parks is a recent requirement.

I will be glad to be wrong about this so I am a bit fuddled.

Seems so. Maybe the legislation hasn't been implemented yet.

The victim of the assault posted their personal account on Reddit, asking for advice.

They were uniformly, robustly told they had every right to use female spaces and should keep doing so.

By other persons who [based on their own descriptions] had also been observed male at birth and socialised accordingly.

Society prioritises and centres males, even in the vanishingly few spaces where traditionally women could expect a male free space.

I really don't get this approach.

Because you seem to be misunderstanding what people are objecting to.

No one as far as I have noticed has suggested the law which says people can self-d in terms of toilet use is a good idea. And pretty much everyone agrees that it's somewhat predictable that something like this could happen in these kinds of situations.

What people are saying seems to be broken down into three things:

People pointing out that as long as self-id is the law, your point that this is not a space for biological males and everyone should know this is inaccurate. Many people really do believe that gender identity is a real thing, and given that that the law upholds them in this belief, it is clearly not obvious to some people, maybe quite a few.

People pointing out that the earlier posts made making statements that the victim intended to be threatening, and knew that their presence would be disconcerting, and that was in fat the purpose of being there, are not something we could possibly know. There are no indications of that in the information we were given, and there are all kinds of other scenarios that are possible and even likely. Especially considering this individual has been told, including by the authorities, that using the women's facilities is ok.

People who feel that pointing to actions of a victim that may have contributed to their victimisation is always in bad taste and amounts to victim blaming. Personally I don't think that is always the case, sometimes those conversations are appropriate. But many people who post here are pretty militant about it, and so why be surprised when they apply it to other types of violent crimes.

It appears that it's a Multnomah county directive only, not a state wide law. So only the shit hole which is Portland and surrounding areas. Agate park is Lincoln county.

Thanks, Rainynighthouse.

No problem