Teen with Aspergers convicted of transgender hate crime, he asked is that a boy or a girl.

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www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/duty-transgender-police-officer-left-17652064

While I completely understand it must be awful to be misgendered, it can’t come as a complete surprise that some transpeople don’t ‘pass’. If you can’t cope with people asking a perfectly reasonable (in their eyes) question, then maybe a job as a PCSO isn’t for you. I’m certain that the vast majority of officers have been called far worse with feeling the need to prosecute them. Maybe a different job or a thicker skin is required.

Yes I do have insight into the law, and that sex based verbal abuse towards women is not a hate crime.

So no it would not have ended up in court.

'Is it a boy or is it a girl?'

I'd have hoped that a PCSO would be neither, but an adult who behaved like one.

If the teenager literally yelled "is it boy or is it a girl?" (2x) as reported: that's a line - repeated a few times - from the Donovan song "Rules and Regulations (I had to look up the title) - circa 1968.

Seems possible (given the Aspergers) that he may have heard this somewhere and remembered it - parents or grandparents may be fans? - and didn't realise the repercussions of coming out with it in public at a very inappropriate time.

Imagine how empty the streets would be after 9pm if they imposed a curfew on young men who shout the far far far worse stuff at young girls and women every single day.

Yes imagine.

Fucks sake. Disability or what?

Could be echolalia, which is why they have no memory of it.

Yet another example of the Sacred Caste.

And they said it was worse because it happened where there were a lot of people about, making it more traumatic.
Do they have a fucking clue why some women avoid places when there aren’t a lot of people about. ffs.
So tired of the double standards. Well in this case, considering the teenager involved, triple standards. There just doesn’t seem to be enough room for more Sacred Castes.

I was also wondering if the boy denied it because they weren’t the exact words he used. BIL has ASD and would absolutely deny any accusation if even the tiniest detail was incorrect. It wouldn’t matter to him what that detail was, it could be tiny and insignificant to the bigger picture, but his ASD would mean he was utterly incapable of admitting anything if it wasn’t a 100% perfect rendition of what had happened.

Absolutely.

Police officers take a lot of verbal abuse - comments about race, religion, gender, threats of violence, etc. If this PCSO can’t handle rude comments then perhaps policing is not the career for them, as this undoubtedly won’t be the last time someone says something offensive.

IMHO take the fact of Asperger's out of it. It's an appalling judgement regardless.

Otherwise you are implying the judgement would have been correct if the shouter-of-words was neurotypical.

If you are trans and make a special trip to punch a 60 year old woman in the face, then you get a £150 fine.

If you are an autistic teenager and say words that upset a trans PCSO, then you get a £590 fine plus community service.

I have to say, if that PCSO has a breakdown over a teenager being rude, then how the hell are they going to cope with, say, a riot, or a terrorist incident, or indeed anything at all that isn't entirely focused on them and their feelings?

I don’t think someone that sensitive would cope well with match day, let alone a terror attack.

I think this is absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour from the PCSO and head-to-table stupidity from the criminal justice system. I wonder how the autistic young person who's been criminalised and punished for 'talking while autistic' feels about leaving the house/existing now? What a load of absolute shit. The lot of them should be ashamed of themselves.

Is there an avenue by which a member of the public can appeal too harsh a sentence in the same way they can an unduly lenient one?

this Is insane

Black Forest, I also don’t expect CPS to indulge and validate those fantasies either.
It’s madness.
As a PC I’ve been threatened with rape and violence on too many occasions. Been punched, bitten, spat at, knocked unconscious and had bones broken. Hurt feelings I don’t complain about.

This cop should lose his job. He obviously doesn't pass as well as he thinks he does, and if he can't put on his big boy pants to serve the public's needs while he is on duty, instead using his time to arrest citizens because someone hurt his feelings, then he doesn't deserve to be employed as a police officer. This gent is a weak bully who is abusing the public trust.

This kid was rude. However, he should have been given the chance to apologize, and if he did so, then that should have been the end of it.

I think that this officer should re-consider whether or not field work is right for him. He may be better suited to a desk job. Sadly, when working with the public, you have to deal with insults occasionally. I used to work in retail, and I frequently had to deal with sexism, classism, and remarks about my appearance. It never even occurred to me to go to the police. I assumed I'd be laughed out of the station!

Hard to see it as anything other than discriminatory. For autistic people, saying what we see isn’t an option we might choose if we want to be rude or offensive. It’s our only option. Unless you want to make ‘talking while autistic’ illegal - and feels like it’s rapidly going that way.

@JanMeyer - my mistake. I thought the reason my autistic child uses a keyboard in class, has 1-2-1 support and 25% extra time in exams meant that he has a learning disability. He is not intellectually impaired so I've obviously got the terminology wrong.

Tirisfal Yes that was my reaction - the whole thing while ridiculous in general specifically sounds so ableist. Are they going to arrest and fine every person with autism who asks an inappropriate question in public now?

This has been going on forever with people with autism. 13 years ago my then 6 year old was excluded from primary school for being racist. His crime? He asked why his friend had a brown face!!!!!

We might as well take a note of this person’s name, as I imagine PCSO won’t be in the force for long, once the local thugs know this PCSO is trans. So well done PCSO, if people weren’t sure before, you’ve just well and truly outed yourself and I imagine you’ll find this isn’t the last person to hurt your ‘feelings’. 🙄

I wonder how long it will be before they sue the force because they haven’t felt ‘supported’ enough, because all those nasty people won’t pretend that people can change sex?