Teen with Aspergers convicted of transgender hate crime, he asked is that a boy or a girl.

[HairyPotter]

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/duty-transgender-police-officer-left-17652064

While I completely understand it must be awful to be misgendered, it can’t come as a complete surprise that some transpeople don’t ‘pass’. If you can’t cope with people asking a perfectly reasonable (in their eyes) question, then maybe a job as a PCSO isn’t for you. I’m certain that the vast majority of officers have been called far worse with feeling the need to prosecute them. Maybe a different job or a thicker skin is required.

The police really do look after thier own. Assault, burglary, rape and other real crimed get ignored and yet this makes it to court.

*crimes

Even from someone non-autistic, surely a statement like that would fall under rudeness, rather than being a hate crime, at least in most cases? And you'd need some sort of evidence to argue that it was done for hateful reasons?

Anyway, clearly this individual is in no way cut out for that job. You need thick skin and the ability not to take things personally, often even when they are meant personally.

£590!!!!!!

Family member is a full Met police officer, was bitten by an arrestee and they were fined under £200 for that. For actual intentional bodily harm to an officer. And nearly 3 times that for being unfamiliar with a complex social concept, confused and a bit rude (due to a diagnosed condition), and accidentally upsetting someone’s snowflake feelz. Grr.

You need thick skin and the ability not to take things personally, often even when they are meant personally.
God absolutely. Police officers deal with masses of targetted abuse, and have to do so calmly and dispassionately. Not get too scared to do solo patrol because someone asked if they were male or female.

This is bananas.

Well obviously being bitten as a no trans person isn't anywhere near as bad as having your feelings hurt if you're wearing the special badge of transgender.

And you'd need some sort of evidence to argue that it was done for hateful reasons?

Its defined by if its perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards a person who is transgender

This was one of the aspects of Harry Miller/Fair Cop Judicial Review

So it is now a crime for a person with a learning disability to question someone's appearance if it is outside the norm.

Aspergers isn't a learning disability, it's a developmental disorder.

Another officer told me that they basically have to accept the high chance of being assaulted because it goes with the territory.
Yup, the biting incident was one of at least 4 significant assaults my family member has experienced in the last 12 months alone. Broken bones, HIV exposure etc, none of it is seen as unusual or shocking to them.
2 of the assaults attracted higher tariffs due to being aggravated/‘hate’ crimes, btw, one on grounds of race, one on grounds of sexuality. Officer is white and heterosexual, but if the offender uses specific language, then ‘hate crime’ gets added to the offence. Although an offence has already been committed (usually half a dozen offences by the time assaulting a police officer happens). The -ism isn’t actually an offence in itself.

Assaulting a police officer attracts lesser sentences than assaulting anyone else, as well.

Another thread where the only reason an incident is being picked apart and belittled is because the person involved was trans. If a hate crime on a similar scale had involved a member of any other minority group you wouldn't even mention it.

Do you have anything to contribute on the topic at hand, or just want to tell women off for discussing something you don’t want them to discuss?

Snowblight what? A hate crime on a similar scale of a mildly upsetting comment? Do give your head a wobble and stop being so ridiculous. Goady AF.

People have been punished less for having child abuse images on their laptops. I'm sure those children feel more than just 'embarrassed' about their abuse and these beasts that contribute to it all by obtaining and asking for these sick images. We as a nation and justice system really do need to get a bloody grip!

snowblight there are many women, parents, carers, teachers & governors concerned with CPS decision making.

current threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3804613-New-Year-New-Judicial-Review-CPS-Hate-Crime-Guidance-for-schools

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3807965-Good-news-re-filming-partner-without-consent

Snowblight what? A hate crime on a similar scale of a mildly upsetting comment? Do give your head a wobble and stop being so ridiculous. Goady AF.

Yes, I really believe you'd have a thread dismissing it if the victim was a woman rather than a trans man.

Much less for racial aggravation and drunk and disorderly.

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18131584.drunk-pontypool-woman-racially-abused-police-officer/

That was a simple Google away.

The sex-based verbal abuse that women & girls receive is not reportable as a Hate Crime.

(aside from the pilot project in Notingham)

If the 'victim' was a woman, it would have gone no further, she probably wouldn't have even made a complaint.

If the 'victim' was a woman, it would have gone no further, she probably wouldn't have even made a complaint.

I'm glad you have such remarkable, generalising insight.

Another thread where the only reason an incident is being picked apart and belittled is because the person involved was trans.

That certainly isn't true of my comments, or many others. Have you read nothing of the actual discussion? Does the text of the linked public order statute and the way it's being used here not concern you at all?

Limiting the ability of the police to act capriciously is far more important to defend the powerless than the powerful. Nothing about this judgment helps those with gender dysphoria.

The law is ridiculous. The CPS is ridiculous. The PCSO is utterly ridiculous and needs to get a grip. The word of the day is, “ridiculous”.

And homophobic charge.

www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/18146529.gay-slur-directed-police-officer/

So yes it does appear that in this case the sentence is harsher.

snowblight I can only assume you have missed the part where the alleged perpetrator is autistic, a recognised condition the core feature of which is a difficulty with social understanding. I work with autistic people and making unguarded comments which could be interpreted as rude is part of the disability for some young autistic people. For example, telling someone they need to lose weight or their hair is a horrible texture or, indeed, seeking to clarify if the person they are looking at is male or female where that is ambiguous.

If there were a thread on here where an autistic person had been fined and given a curfew for asking someone if they were black or mixed race I would have a similar opinion. You cannot expect autistic teens to not make social errors. If they didn't, they wouldn't be autistic.