New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools

[Spero]

If you haven't seen this, I think you should.

www.faircop.org.uk/post/police-must-not-patrol-trans-discussion-in-schools

In brief, the CPS have published guidance about hate crimes in school - but won't let parents see the guidance. Its for teachers only. I've emailed for a copy and so have others. I have a child in the school system. I want to know how serious the risk is that she will be arrested and charged for discussing biology.

I think anyone else who is also worried should email the CPS and ask to see the guidance.

Teachers and schools can download the pack from this website. This is a resource for schools, so a password is required to download the pack. This can be requested by emailing [email protected].

As far as I know the CPS have no remit for social policy issues.
This is reminiscent of the Fair Cop JR when the Judge expressed surprise that the College of Policing kept seeing the police role as community mediators.

Yup. Told today that David Isaac was Chair of Stonewall. Just googled and yes he was from 2003 - 2012. So a lot is falling into place about how these priorities and focus have been developed.

I suppose "online harassment" may not be easy to solve, depending on how obscured the identity of the perpetrator is, but I should imagine that harassment in a toilet or changing room would be, especially if the "perpetrator" merely thought that they were protecting their own protected characteristic.

May I use my Lang of the Day on this one?

Rule 1 of Safeguarding: asking someone to keep secrets from parents is the biggest red flag there is... AKA Grooming 101

Meanwhile in Scotland the government have a consultation open to allow self ID of gender at 16 after 3 months of identifying.

So a child who turns 16 has a gender reassignment certificate and is in school using the changing and toilet facilities which align with their LEGAL gender alongside children from 11-18. For over 2 years.

Using the standard rules for delayed entry which can be pushed further with specific reason the age gap is startling.

GRC child enters S6 in August at 17 and 8 months. Turns 18 in December and will leave school post exams in May at 18 and 5 months.

Child 2 enters S1 in August at 11 and 6 months.

I am fairly confident that there is a risk increase within that potential.

Now how about a school site which uses a swimming pool and sports facilities shared between primary and secondary children. Busy place. There will be overlap between the two groups going in and out. Currently changing/toilets are very clearly split by sex.

Are 4 year olds going to be accused of hate crimes for shouting Miss there is a boy/girl in the wrong changing room?

Meanwhile:

*1/3 of 16-18 year old girls say they have experienced unwanted sexual touching at school

*59% of young women aged 13-21 say they had faced some form of sexual harassment at school or college in the past year

*600 rapes in schools were reported to police between 2012 and 2015 – an average of a rape every day of the school year.

*Nearly three-quarters (71%) of all 16-18 year olds say they hear terms like “slut” or “slag” used towards girls at school on a regular basis
24% 16-18-year-olds say that their teachers never said unwanted sexual touching, sharing of sexual pictures or sexual name calling are unacceptable

notfineinschool.org.uk/sexual-assault

It's almost as if some people are more equal than others...

It's creating an environment where teachers and pupils are encouraged to 'inform' on each other.

Well that's not terrifying at all.

This has made my blood run cold. The CPS publishing guidance to be used in schools which cannot be read by parents. It's so sinister

That the CPS are advocating for secret information to be shared with children without parental knowledge or consent should be raising bloody red flags everywhere. What type of adult wants to talk with children in secret? What type of adult doesn't want parents to know about what they're "teaching" to children?

It's creating an environment where teachers and pupils are encouraged to 'inform' on each other.

It makes you want to sit this lot of idiots down and explain to them in small words what the Hitler Youth was, why it was created and how it worked. And why anything even slightly reminiscent of its values should be cause for serious alarm.

But yes, the fact it's being intentionally kept from parents says everything anyone needs to know. Roll on the judicial review into this one too, this is political policing and I don't see how this even sits with the police's own brief about impartiality. It certainly doesn't sit with this week's conversations in the press about effectively decriminalising theft on the grounds of not enough time and resources. This is a whopping PR disaster on every level.

It makes you want to sit this lot of idiots down and explain to them in small words what the Hitler Youth was, why it was created and how it worked. And why anything even slightly reminiscent of its values should be cause for serious alarm.

Hear hear - Hitler Youth was exactly what this sentence reminded me of too.

Keeping secrets from parents... Why would anyone want to do that? What purpose does it serve? If you are a parent, you are entitled to know exactly what is being taught in your child's school and what the school's policies are for everything. If the leadership is being uncooperative, you can go directly to governors.

Until recently, a parent could withdraw their child from religious and PSHE classes - I understand that is no longer the case for the latter.

And of course a parent has the legal right to withdraw their child completely from the education system, and home educate. I wonder how long before that right is interfered with?

theflushedzebra

Until recently, a parent could withdraw their child from religious and PSHE classes - I understand that is no longer the case for the latter.

So you can't withdraw them from a lesson where the content is deliberately withheld from you?

Bloody hell.

The Times has an article about Harry Miller and it cites this case. It also says that 87,000 hate incidents which are not crimes have been investigated by 27 police forces over last five years. This is insane. Surely the more media exposure, the more people will be appalled at what is going on?

My trial is next month, I can't say much but was in court on Thursday, and we are in exceptionally terrifying times regarding the agencies such as the Police and CPS.

I'm appalled by this latest development, and my daughter is in trouble then as a secondary school age autistic kid

It's a shame the Sunday Times could not have made a clearer link between Harry Millers case and the CPS guidelines. They reveal all the same problems that prompted the Fair Cop JR - such as subjective definition of hate crime according to alleged 'victims' perception - but these are aimed at children and their parents may not see the guidance!!!

And also I have just seen the Western Circuits report on listing of criminal trials. There are not enough court days to hear cases. One criminal barrister has just had a case listed for 2021...

I think we are all entitled to ask - just what the bloody hell is going on?!?!

They reveal all the same problems that prompted the Fair Cop JR - such as subjective definition of hate crime according to alleged 'victims' perception - but these are aimed at children and their parents may not see the guidance!!!

Absolutely agree Spero There is a profound problem with the entire hate crime paradigm. It is compounded or even caused by Stonewall's extensive influence with the police. The school thing seems intentionally designed to create an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty which will paralyze any mention of this topic. These really are Stasi tactics. It's shocking that this is happening in a Western advanced democracy

First they came for the Biology teachers....

Yes, how on earth are biology teachers dealing with this?

The whole thing is chilling.

@ theflushedzebra - is that just in Wales or throughout the U.K.? If the sessions were purely biology and ‘don’t hurt people, this the the law, respect women and girls, boys can cry etc’ then I would say yes - it’s valuable. But with the agencies influencing these lessons with messages that are pushing agendas...

I'm sorry the contrast between the attention given to this and rape /sexual assault /harassment stats are utterly heartbreaking.

For so many women it is so interwoven into our culture even reporting these crimes has never been an option! Let alone the often victim blaming and humiliating trial processes and low conviction rate.

As far as I'm aware, statutory PHSE attendance starts in September 2020 in England. I have no idea when in the week my dcs primary does their PHSE sessions, but I do know that they use Jigsaw as a provider, which is a worry to me.

This thread has reminded me that I need to contact school to ask to see the gender ideology content in case there are things that I'd like to challenge. Having seen what is easily available from Jigsaw, I have a feeling it is likely.

LordFrontpaw, England and Wales I think - I'm not sure of the situation in Scotland.

PSHE lessons were extremely useful and beneficial, along the lines that you've said, but it's worrying that some schools are sneaking Mermaids style training on gender identity into these lessons.

I've googled the parental right of withdrawal, and it's quite messy -but it seems that parents will still have the right to withdraw children under 15yrs. It was under review for a while, with a lot of Ministers thinking parents should not have this right at all.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/sex-education-classes-compulsory-parents-right-withdraw-children-laura-bates-justine-greening-sre-a7607981.html

Which all sounds fine: "Secondary school pupils will also be given lessons on sex as well as the dangers of the internet including pornography and sexting." - until you hear the plans men like Tatchell have twitter.com/petertatchell/status/1126405209868177408?lang=en

Anyway, this is a bit of a derail - sorry - but just equally indicative of some very disturbing things going on in our children's schools at the moment.

It's creating an environment where teachers and pupils are encouraged to 'inform' on each other.

McCarthyism. That's what it is.

I'm sorry the contrast between the attention given to this and rape /sexual assault /harassment stats are utterly heartbreaking.

I feel sick reading this thread. Girls in schools already have such a hard time, this is disgusting. I think more and more parents will take their girls out of the school system if nothing is done. They'll feel they have no choice.

So girls will effectively, through a combination of inaction on serious crimes like rape and sexual assault, and through creating an environment where a girl is reported and sanctioned for having boundaries, be denied access to an eduction. That is supposed to be a human right. Girls in the UK in 2020 will be denied their human rights.

I'm worried about the economy and Brexit - but I read this and I think, well thank god the Tories got in. Because I don't think they've thrown girls under the bus to the same degree as the woke liberals. (Probably because they see women / girls as private property rather than public property - who knew I'd live in a time where that was the better option).

Spero thanks for all you're doing to protect girls. It gives me some small measure of hope that women like you are willing to stand up for girls.