My feelings about men

[BoxyLoxy]

Name changed, obviously.

Im a regular on here although mostly lurking.

I was wondering how other people reconcile their feelings about how fucking awful the patriarchy is, how men as a group are basically toxic and even the 'good ones' have an incredibly low bar for being decent humans.

Im married, and seriously reconsidering it because I feel this ongoing utter despair at the myriad injustices I put up with. I would NEVER EVER pursue a relationship with a man if I did leave.

Anyone else feel the same? Is this normal?!

I might use Femtron 5000 as my new username. Its doubly hilarious given the knee jerk context of the links.

You have linked women to those attacks because they are a result of men trying to pick up women on dating apps, so in your head that somehow makes women responsible.

Where?

I've just highlighted that the minority of violent men pose just as much (maybe more) of a risk to other innocent men as to the average woman.

If people don't want to debate I'll happily bow out. I've seen what happens to new posters who don't tow the line during my many months of lurking on here. First they get labelled a man/MRA/TRA and mass reported. Then mumsnet issues a statement 'we've banned xyz whilst we investigate as we've had a number of reports.' Then they never reappear.

Then mumsnet issues a statement 'we've banned xyz whilst we investigate as we've had a number of reports.'

I've never seen MNHQ say this. Has anyone else ever seen MNHQ say this?

'... and even the 'good ones' have an incredibly low bar for being decent humans.'

What did the OP mean by this? I may have missed the explanation.

And then even when we discover that all those links DO NOT PROVE what you want them to prove, you fight back with accusations of "spouting Femtron 5000 soundbites" (whatever those are)?

So a bunch of links showing men getting beaten/mugged/shot whilst OLD, doesn't show that men can be beaten/mugged/shot whilst OLD?

I fear there may be an issue with your processing chip.

You were trying to li k women to these attacks on men Jargoyle

it's a fairly sell known set up for an attractive woman to catfish a young guy into meeting her for him then to be mugged/beaten by her male accomplices

usually involves a female accomplice as bait

I think horses have beautiful faces

Once again, with feeling, you said And regarding OLD, it's a fairly sell known set up for an attractive woman to catfish a young guy into meeting her for him then to be mugged/beaten by her male accomplices. Men also fear that. I think it's very easy to brush off the issues faced by another group when you don't share their lived experience

And then you said I've just highlighted that the minority of violent men pose just as much (maybe more) of a risk to other innocent men as to the average woman

So you changed your tune because some people didn't fall for it, and then blamed me for a faulty processing chip? DARVO much?

Horses are gorgeous!

My horse died NYE 2017. When I say died, I had him put down because he had cancer and it started to cause him real pain. He was old-ish, but not so old. Lovely lovely boy. I have been lucky (discerning) with horses too!

The first rule of FWR is that you must not have an opinion unless it matches the status quo.

The second rule of FWR is that if your opinion contrasts the status quo you are a man/TRA/MRA.

Jargoyle, were you by any chance nodding along to Christiano/Guardino/manynames's posts?

Because such a niche scam - that may or may involve a woman, but where other men mete out the violence - is not a great example of anything. I don't imagine a great deal of men OLD actually fear this. I think on the list of things men fear, this would barely register.

Whereas the number of women going through basic safety measure before OLD is probably much higher - meet in a public place, leave details of where you are with someone etc etc. Because they're arranging to meet a man they don't know.

Is anybody else as surprised as me?

The third rule of FWR is that you are not a 'proper feminist' if you don't share the FWR views around porn/sex work/trans issues.

Jargoyle, we only "accuse new poster of being an MRA" if they post MRA arguments.

Which you are.

Ah, sorry to hear that, fleetsum

Horses are ace.

The cycle does seem to be speeding up though

And veiled sniping at FWR counts, btw. It didn't take long for the mask to slip.

I love horses too Fleetsum

Zebra,

I agree this wouldn't likely register for most men. But men probably should be more careful with their risk assessing than they are, given the statistics.

It's really not 'all about the men' with me, although it might appear that way. It's just that there's a tendency on here IMO to only look at one side of the coin (which is like reviewing the self-ID situation without considering women and only looking at it from a trans viewpoint).

Tbf, Jargoyle, not really. But you have to back up your opinion. Robustly. I might get what you are saying except that there is so much finger pointing...to women.

Since I am not sure what you are arguing, apart from saying "men have it bad too, you know" and since in trying to prove this you pretend to show many examples where women are violent towards men (and I illustrate how they are not, how this is still male violence) I can be excused in thinking the inevitable.

It’s a feminist board though, jargoyle, not the BBC. There’s no obligation at all here to give equal weight to issues that affect men. One of the points of feminism is to liberate women from having to do that.

It didn't take long for the mask to slip.

I refer you to the second rule of FWR.

Oh thanks SophocIestheFox and theflushedzebra

I refer you to the second rule of FWR.

The only rules applied to FWR are pinned at the top of the board by MNHQ.

HTH.