My feelings about men

[BoxyLoxy]

Name changed, obviously.

Im a regular on here although mostly lurking.

I was wondering how other people reconcile their feelings about how fucking awful the patriarchy is, how men as a group are basically toxic and even the 'good ones' have an incredibly low bar for being decent humans.

Im married, and seriously reconsidering it because I feel this ongoing utter despair at the myriad injustices I put up with. I would NEVER EVER pursue a relationship with a man if I did leave.

Anyone else feel the same? Is this normal?!

I've never heard of this. Has anyone else heard of this?

Never, but I live in the back of beyond. Guess I don't read the right papers/news websites?

I think Ronaldo has an amazing body and is awfully good at squats

Luca Zingaretti ( Inspector Montalbano) is very sexy in my view. In fact I think he looks better bald than he did with hair. However, hair/no hair doesn't make any difference to someone's sexiness - it is their total way of being that is most important.

Luca Zingaretti

So sexy I posted it twice.

So kind of Jargoyle bringing this "well known set up" to the attention of us women, in an entirely altruistic spirit (being a woman and all) so we get a balanced view and see the error of our ways but I remember that I originally came on here to say what amazing humans my DH, DS, and BIL are, as well as many male friends. There are bastards out there, I know I have been very lucky. And no low bar for mine, they are good people full stop.

*Excuse me! What's wrong with a horse face?

(Is it too late to say how much I love Ronaldo?)*

I'm not too sure, they seemed to be the worst insults our incel could think of.
I definitely worry constantly that someone might accidentally saddle me up and expect me to shit in a stable sooooo

Men’s Rights types often eye roll that women don’t complain about harassment by good looking men. Nonsense. I was sexually harassed on a beach by a man who looked like Brad Pitt and it was genuinely awful and scary. Also put me right off Brad Pitt as an actor...

Correction, my DH says I have not been lucky. I have been discerning.

Bit too Dr Evil for me...

I tend to find men who sexually assault extremely unattractive, tbh. You know, generally. I mean, I hate to make a sweeping statement.

Whoops, hadn't refreshed page and seen all the posts since I was on the phone.

So kind of Jargoyle bringing this "well known set up" to the attention of us women, in an entirely altruistic spirit.

I don't really know how I'm expected to respond to that. I guess I just think that you've got to look at both sides of the coin if you want to be taken seriously about an issue. I agree male violence against women is a huge issue, however I don't think it's necessarily to reduce men's problems to worrying about women laughing at them. But then I actually like men and care equally about both sexes.

Can we get back to talking about 'how tough men have it too', please?

oh, I missed a lot of fun on this thread

poor incel boy is probably still frothing. at least he's put everyone right about how super all men are though, so there's that

...and then my DH said "...I'll just get back to making your supper."

It's haggis, of course

And regarding OLD, it's a fairly sell known set up for an attractive woman to catfish a young guy into meeting her for him then to be mugged/beaten by her male accomplices

I've never heard of this. Has anyone else heard of this?

Nope.
Several of the links posted are duplicates and half of them say there was no woman at the meeting. So women are not responsible for those crimes.

Out of the ones where a woman was present, the sting seems to have been run by the men in at least one case. Imo, men would not complain 'you brought us one with no money' if the woman was running the sting. Its more likely that an 18 year old girl was coerced or groomed into cooperating with the muggers than she was controlling them.

Jargoyle might not be aware of this, but teenage girls are coerced or groomed into various crimes including acting as drug mules. That doesn't make them responsible. the gangs behind the coercion are the ones responsible.

There is no other side of the coin. If you want to argue there is then present a coherant argument backed up with evidence.

Gosh- lots of deletions! Can I just say- I have a horse, and we don't look at all alike... 🤔

Several of the links posted are duplicates and half of them say there was no woman at the meeting. So women are not responsible for those crimes.

The thing is (unlike many on here, seemingly), I'm not here to argue about 'who's fault it is'. It's not a battle of the sexes for me.

I was responding to posters that were trying to say that men had no concerns around risk when OLD, and just had to worry about whether their date was as attractive as in her photos. I pointed out that they actually have to worry about being mugged/beaten/shot.

Who does the mugging/beating/shooting isn't my point, rather the fact that it is a genuine consideration. Do you really think the male being beaten feels solidarity with the man beating him, or is he desperately panicking and hoping he escapes with his life?

Several of the links posted are duplicates and half of them say there was no woman at the meeting. So women are not responsible for those crimes

So we're back to the first rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

Deja vu or what

You are still blaming women for those attacks, your links mostly show male violence against men.

Women are not responsible for the majority of the attacks on men, even on the links you posted. You have linked women to those attacks because they are a result of men trying to pick up women on dating apps, so in your head that somehow makes women responsible.

Um, maybe read my post above rather than spouting Femtron 5000 soundbites.

I think we agree that toxic masculinity, the patriarchy etc does no favours to most men, either. The men who suffer are our sons, and we want to protect them. That doesn't mean we don't recognise the source of the threat.

not a battle of the sexes for me

Yeah, right. So why did you post a shit load of links trying to prove that "women can be predators too"? And then even when we discover that all those links DO NOT PROVE what you want them to prove, you fight back with accusations of "spouting Femtron 5000 soundbites" (whatever those are)?

Jargoyle pointed out immediately after the post that there were duplicates.

Can we concentrate on explaining what we believe, I stead of destroying other people's arguments?