Lang Cleg 2

[TiredofthisBSbutIstandwithLang]

New thread as we got to 1000.

FYI, I don't need to see the CV of a medical professional or a nuclear physicist I disagree with to be able recognize their expertise.
It is unfortunate that you are unable to do so.

Safeguarding women and children against men is feasible, and practical, though - so long as we women are allowed to say that men are men.

There seems to be a sticking point around child safeguarding, and identifying men as men.

As I commented on the first thread LangCleg would not descibe herself as a Safeguarding expert because she understands Safeguarding.

She has though consistantly demonstrated her deep understanding of Safeguarding frameworks/principles, has considerable skill in communicating Safeguarding issues & provided many appropriate links to specific guidance for those who are interested or have had need.

Safeguarding women and children against men is feasible, and practical, though - so long as we women are allowed to say that men are men

Fair enough. Half the time though on here actual women are trawled into the net of saying "women are allowed to say men are men"!
No, sometimes they're not men. It doesn't mean you're a man or a goady sealion if you disagree with something.

Safeguarding is really hard. It doesn’t come naturally and it’s not intuitive.

I second that. My first safeguarding course left me feeling disgruntled. Because you do feel as though you are being looked at with suspicion. Which, of course, is the correct way to look be looked at.

Once you take all the emotion out, and you realise that this has to be a blanket policy, it's a lot easier to navigate.

But you’re disingenuous Wotcha. Unless you genuinely think posts are only reported and removed for genuine reasons? And no posts are ever removed for spurious reasons?

As I commented on the first thread LangCleg would not descibe herself as a Safeguarding expert because she understands Safeguarding

So it's other posters claiming as fact that she is then? That's just as worrying.

expert
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noun
a person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.

Words have meanings.

Maybe you could read some threads to improve your understanding of what people are talking about, willis.

“The more you know, the more you know you don't know.”

― Aristotle

Maybe you could read some threads to improve your understanding of what people are talking about, willis.

Or, wild suggestion, start a thread asking all those tricky, tricky questions that you think are that important women need to discuss them?

I know - mind blowing.

Maybe you could read some threads to improve your understanding of what people are talking about, willis
I've been a regular poster for absolute years on MN thank you.
Although if you mean FWR board maybe about 3 or 4 years.
I'm entitled to my opinion too.

I know quite well what I'm commenting on.

Willis asked : "OK, bringing me back neatly to does anyone actually know anyone on here?"

Do you really expect any of us to share that information with you, of all people posting on this board?

I know quite well what I'm commenting on.
I can see that. It is your understanding o what others are talking about that I question based on your oft repeated questions.

Do you really expect any of us to share that information with you, of all people posting on this board?

Oh FFS, no do I have to say yet again for clarity, don't ever doxx yourself!!
Although not sure what you of all people is supposed to mean, is that yet another attempt to smear an alternative viewpoint?!

Willis there are titles of expertise that I'm confident you would not ascribe to yourself. However, those of us familiar with your posting style and content would ascribe to you.

As an example obvs. Just to help clarify what we (general) mean lol.

However, those of us familiar with your posting style and content would ascribe to you. As an example obvs. Just to help clarify what we (general) mean lol

OK, point taken lol obvs, what do you (general you) mean with that comment?
People are allowed to disagree.We don't have to always think the same.

RumerGodden I knew that advertisers pulled away from that radio station but I hadn’t realised a concerted campaign had been running.

I’m off to google the Mad Fucking Witches

@MNHQ when Lang and others talk about “monitors,” they are definitely not referring to “moderators.”

These are two entirely separate groups of people.

I think HQ may not realise, and think Lang’s comments about “monitors” were about them (moderators).

I know others have made the same point but I don’t think HQ has addressed this. This is the only way to square the two sides of this misunderstanding.

I think HQ may not realise, and think Lang’s comments about “monitors” were about them (moderators).

To my knowledge the difference has been explained to them several times and they are aware of the MRAs on twitter who monitor MN.

Doesn't automatically make you (general you) a safeguarding expert though. Could just as easily make you someone who's read a lot on the internet and makes you think you're qualified to make others think you are too

Did I make ^ bold?

My cv probably suggests I have extensive knowledge of safeguarding children. The reality, sadly is untrue. All it means is that I attend regular safeguarding updates to keep myself licensed. No reading required. Turn up. Sign a register.

To actually keep updated i have to perform my own research - happily I’ve found a wonderful resource here. So thank you.

Unfortunately Mad Fucking Witches have drunk the koolaid.

They have, indeed. Which is a shame because I have just spent a fun thirty minutes down the rabbit hole of their posts. I just loved the name and I agreed with some of their sweaty rants. But disagreed on issues I consider to be more important.

Bewilderness I know it’s been explained, but has anyone from MN confirmed their understanding (on monitors v moderators)?

The comments from Justine / Michael indicate that moderators feel personally attacked by Lang and others.

This only makes sense if:

1. They feel comments about “monitors” are about them; or

1. They sincerely believe that “TWAW” and the expression of other beliefs, no matter how politely, feels like an attack.

Some people who identify as trans or “c*s” consider feminism as being akin to racism or something, i.e. a priori offensive.

If moderators are in this category, then many posts on FWR will be offensive, because simply the belief that TWAM is (to them) an offensive, even repugnant belief.

2B my understanding of the following statement by Michael seems to answer your question ie they know the difference and it makes no odds to the message received.

"It's been repeatedly asserted that we were both abusers and proxies for abuse at various times - and the distinction doesn't feel very important when you're on the receiving end of it."

I'm not sure we're going to get much more from MN now, frustrating as that is.