LangCleg

[dragongirlx]

I am a long time lurker but infrequent poster here but I needed to bring this to everyone's attention.
I have found out that Mumsnet HQ have banned the fabulous LangCleg simply for repeatedly pointing out the repeated times coercive control has been used by the moderators to stop women talking.
I understand it started with a conversation when a post was deleted because she allegedly used a sweeping generalisation but they couldn't or wouldn't confirm the generalisation and when she challenged them they decided to ban her on the basis of previous comments.

So it now seems pointing out coercive control is now grounds for being banned, thus proving that coercive control is being used.

I for one would like @MumsnetHQ to provide an explanation here as this is really not on

(also taking bets on how long before the thread is deleted)

Hyde Park was the scene of the crime where a TRA assaulted an older woman, right?

More than one TRA. Allegedly.

As pp have said, they wouldn't necessarily know it was JP.

Something I would like Mumsnetters to take away from this, is the importance of setting up and maintaining alternative Real Fanny Fighting (™️Thigh) networks. Don’t rely on MN to keep you in touch with allies. Connect in RL and elsewhere online.

But why are @MNHQ discussing other posts and posters with anyone privately outside of the moderating team at all? When apparently they don’t comment on these things?

What's funny is that I bet someone will try to report the comments in which I've suggested that Joss may be fibbing as a vicious attack on Joss's character. Even though it's apparently true.

Joss wasn't actually there and doesn't know anyone involved.

On the day of the Hyde Park attack, Joss was an active participant in a Facebook group that included the actual attacker and others stalking the women trying to meet.

In essence, the women had a venue cancelled. They set up a last minute replacement venue and kept it secret.
A FB group which included Joss and the attacker started calling venues around London using fake voices etc to try to establish where the new location was. They failed.
The attacker posted "anyone know where/if this is happening? I wanna fuck some terfs up, they are no better than fash"

The women met at speakers corner so that the new venue could be passed to women secretly on slips of paper.
The members of the FB group who had tried to hunt them down were there to prevent the meeting. And the attacker who posted he wanted to fuck up some terfs attacked Maria.

Joss was an active part of the FB group that day, that devoted the day to hunting down the women trying to meet.

As has also been pointed out they might want to challenge it or at least leave a better message to all here, letting us know that they do not, have not...

JP trying to suggest they have some influence over MN is exactly the same tactic used by RM/VI, who claims to be able to get people off Twitter. It's the way a certain kind of person operates and says a lot about them.

Tbf, it's highly unlikely that this Prior person is telling the truth, isn't it?

Another long time member who is pissed off at this decision

MNHQ, sort yourselves out.

Looong time lurker, odd poster and passionate on child safeguarding here and not surprised ... the strongest most sensible voices are being removed from the online arena ...I thought Mumsnet had a little more ethics about it but at the end of the day it is built on a patriarchal model and thus will fold to the patriarchal principle when push comes to profits. Until we as Women and that means all Women with concerns take on these companies who profit from our spending power ... more Women will be silenced ... boycott mumnset promotions ... boycott their advertisers until Mothers, Grandmothers and all Women on here are free to talk sensibly about threats to female and child safeguarding ... if moderators don't understand what safeguarding is...they need a lesson in what grooming actually looks like and fast or new trained moderators are needed. I don't need this forum as my activism is out in the real world but reading around Women and Children’s experiences online keeps me up to speed on how Women deal with safeguarding, which has got harder and harder over the last 10yrs as family court has failed in its Rule of a Law duty of care ... mumsnet is falling down massively by removing strong safeguarding models ... the more it removes the more mumsnet becomes a groomer's aid. And if mumsnet bans me .. so what ...it's just a profit machine at the ends of the day.

Tbf, it's highly unlikely that this Prior person is telling the truth, isn't it?
If that’s the case, @MNHQ and @HebeMumsnet will have no problem confirming it then.

Ffs Mumsnet!!!

I'm with the other pps, Lang is a star and FWR stalwart who is a fucking inspiration.

Lang if you're reading this, from one sweary saggy-titted harridan to another - thank you for being you!

I will "toast" you with some toast & marmite later. The Notorious WBH, however can get in the fucking sea...

Cross as I am, I still can't stop chortling about R0wan's return. Quelle own goal.

Let's see who else we can get to come back in honour of Lang.
I'm going for Bewilderness who, as far as I can recall, was never banned.

People keep referencing Orwell. As I've said before, at this point, we are solidly in Kafka territory. Orwell is all about forcing the subject to wholly capitulate and love the oppressor.

Kafka's dystopia doesn't give a fuck what you actually think, you will be prosecuted and you will not be told why. Lang sought clarity on how she supposedly transgressed the 'guidelines' and in response, not only was she banned, she was never told what her crime was.

Which does rather look like her crime was asking for professional behaviour from people with a certain amount of authority. But who knows - certainly not Lang. And yet the punishment remains.

That's pure Kafka, and imo, much less bother than the work involved in Orwell's scheme.

You saw the weetabix and vegemite earlier, terry?

(Side eyes Australia)

I'm sadly convinced MN will not reinstate. Nor will they take a stance. Too many advertisers who are drowning in woke cookies would pull out. There's coercion, manipulation, brainwashing, silencing, erasure and threats afoot yet there's only a comparatively few people able and willing to put their head above the parapet.

And yet MN purports to be for the very people that are being silenced, threatened, sacked even. Mums. Mothers. Women. Adult Human Females.

They clearly DON'T stand for us. They stand for money.

I'm on Spinster as well. If I'm banned, I'll catch you all there. Hopeful to stay because as has been highlighted by @Datun we need to keep trying.

Perhaps one day MN WILL be brave enough to stand for the truth. I doubt it though.

When law and common sense prevail I hope MN don't DARE to proclaim that they stood for women.

Actually I think we may be verging on Gilliam's Brazil territory at this point.

It's funny how no one on the GC side is ever banned from any social media platform for being abusive, disrespectful to moderators etc.

Hang on.... has Lang been banned because MNHQ are capitulating to the demands of JOSS fucking PRIOR, who doesn't even fucking post here and has made precisely dick-all contribution to the area of women's rights?

LangCleg has been a long term and valued poster who has provided valuable insight in safeguarding. And you've shit-canned her at the behest of a Twitter troll.

Sort. Ourselves. Out.

Off-topic not really but Kafka’s The Trial is a fairly quick read and well worth it if you’re not familiar with it.

I don’t know Brazil will have to look it up.

Not RTFT Kittens, I hope Lang has been honoured with marmite & WBH - it's what she would have wanted

I return to MN to say I am very disappointed to see LangCleg has been banned. As a hardened Twitter user, I find it amazing that this has happened, as from what I have seen, she has always been very careful not to cross any MN lines. I wish moderators would change this decision: however, I am enough of a realist to know that admitting a mistake has been made is sometimes too difficult a step.

As well as Spinster, in case it has not been mentioned before, Glindr is now up, running and worth joining.

A truly awful decision by @MNHQ!

Mumsnet users elsewhere on the site should be worried, if the likes of J Prior ever succeed in closing down this board they'll come after the relationships board next