Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt

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This is just so wrong. How can this happen in the 21st century. No oppressed group ever had such power. Just have to dig some more.

OK, that tweet linked to is from what I can see a tweet from someone else putting words into OJ's mouth - you haven't posted this person's view like you said.
From what you've linked to he's just said hate is on the rise and there'll be some sort of march?

Alias
The only answer for LGB people - lesbians in particular - is to stick with LGBT events and do what you're fucking told.

This.

The outrage and anger on Twitter, and from some posters on this thread, that same-sex attracted people should dare use their own acronyms to start an organisation for same-sex attracted people is, on one level fascinating, and on the other, appalling to witness.

Sexual orientaton and gender identity are not the same thing.

Either those who have gravitated towards the LGB Alliance because of their experiences and ideas are somehow a small and non-influential group. If so, why is a t-shirt so controversial, surely everyone in the club knows it's unimportant? Why even draw attention to it?

Or they represent a growing thorn in the side of the dominant trends within the LGBT discussion right now.

And, as we well-know on Mumsnet from the relationship boards: the most dangerous time is when you try to leave relationship.

The anger is ramping up.

I read it that because it excluded Trans people in the title that was why people complained.

Nothing to do with being male or female, just seen to be excluding trans people from being equal and worth a mention?

That was my take?

Not a case of not being equal but with regards to sexuality being irrelevant in the group. You either have sex with a male body, female body or both.

Why is it exclusionary to want to focus on sexual orientation?

the most dangerous time is when you try to leave relationship.

Yes. The rage is quite scary. I feel for lesbians right now - seem to be more cases of lesbophobia on the rise - and they're getting it in the neck from the community that should be protecting them - at least, they are if they don't want to include males in their groups.

I hope she got home ok? Very troubling.

For those castigating her, do you go after Cancer Research for not including dementia? Do you shout at Tories for being insufficiently socialist? Does it enrage you that your aged mum doesn’t get support from the NSPCC?

And no answer yet on why it’s ok to have trans-specific activities at LGBT events and venues, and why that’s not exclusionary...?

Lesbians are getting it more in the neck as a result of a kickback against the transgender movement. Lots of people unhappy with it are not feminists and just see the whole LBQT as to blame. It will I think sadly get worse.

Just lovely.
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I'd assume that this happened not so much because it was a group that wasn't about trans people, but because it is a group that separated from Stonewall specifically because they have issues with the way Stonewall is dealing with trans issues.

I think they were right to do that, and it makes sense, but I also would say that at this point it is fairly clearly a rejection of the SW view.

The issue really is that some people think disagreeing with that view is inherently bigoted and the sort of thing you'd kick people out of a club about.

Nothing to do with being male or female, just seen to be excluding trans people from being equal and worth a mention?

Really, that's your take? After seven pages of comment explaining that not including a group you don't belong to on a t-shirt featuring the name of a group you do belong to does not in any way imply anything of the sort?

Once again, just in case you haven't RTFT:

Certain policy aims of trans rights organisations do not align with certain policy aims of LGB rights organisations. That's why you have separate trans organisations in the first place. Because a growing number of LGB people are concerned that the policy aims of the former group are now being prioritised over their own and to their disadvantage, and finding they can no longer advocate for those LGB aims within LGBT organisations, they have formed an organisation solely dedicated to pursuing LGB policy aims.

This isn't about rejecting equal rights for the other group, but for making sure the needs of your own group aren't forgotten.

As to a t-shirt about your own group implying all the other groups aren't worth mentioning, surely you can see that doesn't make sense?

You wear a t-shirt like this coz you're showing this is my tribe. Tomorrow you wear a t-shirt showing this is my music, the day after this is my party, my football club, my country etc. It's not about the worth of others, it's about your personal preference which doesn't have to take into account the hurt feelings of everyone not mentioned on your t-shirt.

Yet again, the whole LGB+TQ thing reminds me of an abusive relationship or a cult. LB women who disagree are ignored and shut down, they're told what to believe and how to talk, and if they finally give up and leave they're called names, lied about, and ostracized from the rest of the group.

I never imagined the UK would regress so badly that people can get kicked out of venues for believing women need an ontological category of our own, that lesbians are homosexual, or that LGB people deserve representation.

People who share a lesbian, gay or bisexual orientation absolutely have the right to gather together with other people who've experienced growing up 'not straight' (sorry if that is clumsy phrasing) and to put their political and financial energy into advocating for that group's wellbeing.

There is no reason why they must be forced to advocate for the T, many of whom are heterosexual and have nothing in common with the LBG.

When the T cheerleads conversion therapy of gay kids into straight trans ones, there's especially no reason to include the T in their political aims.

@Goosefoot - completely agree.

I never imagined the UK would regress so badly that people can get kicked out of venues for believing women need an ontological category of our own, that lesbians are homosexual, or that LGB people deserve representation.

TBH I can't imagine many things that someone would wear on a t-shirt that I'd expect them to get kicked out for. I'd not have thought even a very bad nasty organisation name would qualify, more something like profanity or threatening slogans.

But I guess the "unsafe" crowd think anything is a direct threat.

Polo lounge is or was owned by the G1 group. Who own lots of clubs. The 'shimmy club' was another one on their books - which got in the news for allowing 2 way mirrors in the ladies' toilets. Unbeknown to the women.

www.theguardian.com/uk/scotland-blog/2013/jun/15/scotland-women-shimmyclub

Goosefoot calls it right.

Stonewall does not like anyone challenging its self declared leadership

ScrimshawTheSecond

Feeling attacked and excluded = terrible crime
Being attacked and excluded = totes ok

And 897 people agree. MRA version 2.0

aye. women being attacked and excluded is the right side of history.

I seen on twitter the manager has a history on bisexual women.

Seen one tweet he sent witch was disgusting about bisexual women

Will have a look in morning on twitter. And see if I can link

The manager of the club is an MRA.
It really is that simple.
MRAs have always been misogynistic & homophobic. Transgender advocacy gives them cover to discriminate against women and homosexuals in the mane of equality.

If I wear a Led Zep t shirt it doesn't mean I hate Pink Floyd.

Even if I wear it to a club that says it supports both heavy and prog.

Heavy and prog rock!

A similar incident from July 2018 (no tshirts involved this time).

Why do you say "feeling attacked and excluded, terrible crime being attacked and excluded totes OK?"
Since when is it totes OK to be attacked and excluded? It's really not, and never is.
Your comment does come across as minimising verbal abuse though.
You're not being physically attacked, so what does it matter?! Suck it up!
Um, no, why should they?