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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt

318 replies

Imnobody4 · 19/01/2020 11:50

twitter.com/satiricole/status/1218744161874186242?s=19
This is just so wrong. How can this happen in the 21st century. No oppressed group ever had such power. Just have to dig some more.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 19/01/2020 13:12

Omg. Not surprised though. And the comments on the twitter thread. Disgusting. I also hope she takes this further.

snowblight · 19/01/2020 13:13

The club say she was asked to change the shirt so tough luck. I also doubt it was just transgender people who were complaining.

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 19/01/2020 13:13

It’s utterly disgusting that they treated her like that.

Quite apart from the ridiculousness of suggesting that a T-shirt supporting LGB is anti trans (do they consider any trans T’s to be anti lgb??! Or any gay men T’s to be anti lesbian? Etc etc) they endangered her by kicking her out without her possessions.

I hope she takes it further.

WaitrosesCheapestVodka · 19/01/2020 13:15

She wore a t shirt with a provocative slogan on it. She got a reaction. Who'd have thought?

TiredofthisBS · 19/01/2020 13:17

Why should she have to change her t-shirt Snow? If I saw someone wearing a t-shirt saying fuck T@rfs I would find that offensive but you know what - no one would bother asking the other person to change that t-shirt in case it offends them.

There is something very very wrong with that.

Whatisthisfuckery · 19/01/2020 13:20

By Marns’ logic we should ban all replica football shirts, as signalling support to Manchester United is not being supportive of Manchester City fans.

CharlieParley · 19/01/2020 13:21

Honestly whatever your feelings this is a bit embarrassing. This was obviously done in a way and at a place to provoke people and she clearly knows that too.

Well, no. She spent all day in a room filled with lesbian, gay, bisexual and straight ppeople, some of whom were trans, all wearing the t-shirt. Then had a great time at the after party, everyone getting a little tipsy and a lot happy. When that finished at 11pm, they decided to go to a gay club to keep having fun together - there were people there from down South as well who don't come to Scotland all that often (or ever).

It's much more likely she didn't give her t-shirt a second's thought (which is why she didn't even understand why they took her aside at first). And to be honest, whatever your politics, if the same club wouldn't kick you out for wearing a trans org t-shirt excluding the LGB, they also shouldn't be kicking anyone out for wearing an LGB one excluding the T. Both are legitimate groups with distinct and sometimes mutually exclusive goals.

Having distinct and mutually exclusive goals is typical for different protected groups. And the Eqality Act is the mechanism by which we resolve the conflicts arising from and between these groups.

snowblight · 19/01/2020 13:25

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CharlieParley · 19/01/2020 13:26

She wore a t shirt with a provocative slogan on it.

She wore a t-shirt that said

LGB Alliance

Nothing else. If you find that provocative, you should ask yourself why you find a protected group organising around their shared protected characteristic problematic. It's really not acceptable to malign a protected group for advocating solely for their own interests and not also for those of others.

CharlieParley · 19/01/2020 13:32

Most of their supporters aren't LGBT at all, just heterosexual bigots looking to damage the LGBT community.

Straight people like me were very much in the minority yesterday. Vastly outnumbered. And it was lovely to see LGB interests front and centre and to be there just to learn and listen to their concerns. Not a bigot in sight anywhere, not even when different opinions about some issues were exchanged. Just respectful conversations.

ScapaFlo · 19/01/2020 13:33

Would a bi woman be able to complain in a club about a t shirt that reads 'some people are trans. Get over it'? No? Why not? Because by this logic that's just as exclusionary.

BovaryX · 19/01/2020 13:33

I just took a look at the comments on the Twitter link. It is quite astonishing. Comparing it to wearing a BNP t shirt? And men making virulently misogynistic comments. I wonder if the people making these comments and accusing this girl of sporting a 'hate slogan' have access to a mirror?

YappityYapYap · 19/01/2020 13:35

Considering L, G and B are forms of sexuality and not forms of body dismorphia, I think it was quite cheeky in the first place to put L, G and B into the same category as T in the first place. Campaigning for your sexual orientation to be accepted by others because it inflicts ZERO implications on others is not the same as campaigning for transgender rights which does have implications on others. They aren't even in the same category in my view. People that are L, G and B just want a relationship or marriage with the same sex, that is all. They aren't wanting to totally overturn the gender equality act or be given rights to use whatever spaces the feel like on any given day depending on how they feel

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 19/01/2020 13:36

Remember when a group of lesbians were kicked out of the National Theatre bar for the heinous crime of wearing T-shirts with lesbian slogans? It’s no coincidence this keeps happening to women.

Datun · 19/01/2020 13:40

Why does the T get so angry when the LGB splinters off? Why do they need them so much snow? The rage and intolerance towards another protected characteristic is awful to behold.

snowblight · 19/01/2020 13:40

If people got out from behind their keyboards and their little echo chamber and met members of the wider LGBT community they'd find minimal support for the LGB Alliance.

Datun · 19/01/2020 13:42

If people got out from behind their keyboards and their little echo chamber and met members of the wider LGBT community they'd find minimal support for the LGB Alliance.

It's a protected characteristic and that was discriminatory behaviour. It couldn't be more discriminatory.

ScapaFlo · 19/01/2020 13:43

Quite a few of us on here are actually lesbians, you know. So meeting people in the community all day every day

lazylinguist · 19/01/2020 13:46

If someone had gone into the club wearing a t-shirt with a slogan saying 'Support Gay and Trans people', would they have been booted out for not having the L or B on the t-shirt? I seriously doubt it.

slipperywhensparticus · 19/01/2020 13:48

She is same sex attracted why cant she advertise that fact instead of people wasting their time with her

Ereshkigal · 19/01/2020 13:49

Just another way the forced grouping of the T with the LGB has harmed the latter. The T is still allowed to stand on its own. Not so for the L, G and B whether alone or as a group representing homo- and bisexual people.

Yes, it's very stark. The desperate flailing of the people defending this is also quite telling.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 19/01/2020 13:51

Wearing a T-shirt saying just LGB in a LGBT inclusive place?
Yeah, I'm with the poster who said it comes across as dogwhistle playing innocent face when challenged.
Of course if you're going to exclude one of the groups LGBT are inclusive of, and deliberately wear a T-shirt to an LGBT inclusive club saying as much, you can't expect people to not have an issue with it, surely?!
Well you'd have thunk!

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2020 13:52

Why is the lbg aliiance provocative?

Why is a group which was set up because Stonewall wasn't protecting lgb rights and was ignoring a conflict between lgb and t controversial?

Homosexuality is defined by sex not gender and it is homophobic to use a definition of homosexual based on gender.

Explain why it is not controversial to tell lesbians to suck lady dick?

Anyone?

Datun · 19/01/2020 13:54

I don't know why I'm surprised that so many people pop up on here who are perfectly happy to discriminate against protected characteristics. The intolerance is shocking.

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