Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt

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This is just so wrong. How can this happen in the 21st century. No oppressed group ever had such power. Just have to dig some more.

WTF is going on! Unbelievable.

It is a T-shirt, representing the wearer’s sexuality.

What about “TWAW” shirts, which exclude L, G, B people? If people can cope with those, surely others can handle an LGB shirt.

Misogyny is running rampant.

Since when is it totes OK to be attacked and excluded? It's really not, and never is.

Nice you think so too. I do hope you popped on to twitter to tell the twatter who thought attacking and excluding a female was a ok. I’m assuming you read the tweet Scrimshaw posted that I responded to?

Your comment does come across as minimising verbal abuse though.

As explained, it wasn’t my comment, what you’re incorrectly trying to ‘gotcha’ with was my reaction to a tweet.

Oh, and you might want to consider the glass house you live in before you throw stones - nice bit of victim blaming by you, on this thread:

Of course if you're going to exclude one of the groups LGBT are inclusive of, and deliberately wear a T-shirt to an LGBT inclusive club saying as much, you can't expect people to not have an issue with it, surely?!

And just for fairness, there are a number of other posters on this thread that are waiting for further comment from you.

I'm not trying to "gotcha" anything, I was just replying to what was written as a comment.
Why would I pop onto "Twatter" to discuss? I'm a MNer, discussing stuff on here, never have over there.

Does anyone know where people can buy Alliance LGB T shirts so we can get kicked out of pubs my homophobic misogynists? Women on twitter are asking for them.

Two decades ago straight men would have been kept out or kicked out of clubs like Polo.

Now they are welcomed in - as they are wearing ''feminine clothes'' and they are identifying as ''lesbians''.

It's clear that these clubs don't really want real women there.

There are now no lesbian only groups or clubs anywhere.

It's ironic that many of the gay males commenting about what happened would probably never date a transman. They are hypocrites. The same usually goes for lesbians too who claim they support trans - support but refuse to date - silently.

It's disgusting and pathetic and I think it is the best thing for LGB people to have their own spaces instead, I see nothing wrong with the LGB Alliance.

Had there been ''equality'' and ''respect'' in the first place from trans to LGB people, none of this would've had to happen.

I hope the woman they kicked out reports them and their LGB-exclusionary club.

I've said elsewhere, her crime is going to a club that is trans inclusive while wearing a t shirt that doesn't mention trans.
There are no spaces that don't include trans people. If any clubs did, they'd be attacked both verbally and literally.

So she can't wear that t shirt anywhere, or she's due whatever comes to her. Right??
Bloody women, we're either whores or prudes or bullies or eternal victims or too fat/too thin/etc etc etc etc...

The 'shimmy club' was another one on their books - which got in the news for allowing 2 way mirrors in the ladies' toilets. Unbeknown to the women.

Oh yes I remember that!

The outrage and anger on Twitter, and from some posters on this thread, that same-sex attracted people should dare use their own acronyms to start an organisation for same-sex attracted people is, on one level fascinating, and on the other, appalling to witness.

Yes.

Kicking that woman out late at night without her stuff to get home safely was dangerous.
And none of it makes sense-however people want to label their gender politics, sexual orientation is relevant to all of us. Her T-shirt was about rights related to sexual orientation.

Also those idiots calling LGB Alliance a ‘hate group’ on Twitter really need to get out more.

Well I'm a hardline GC woman but even I see the tee shirt as a bit goady. Of course the TRAs were going to complain. That's a given.

The formation of the LGB alliance, which I support 100%, is a rejection of the T, whatever the (good) reasons. Stop with the faux innocence around 'just different paths', or comparing it to a TWAW tee shirt.

Most of you are offended some were offended.

My opinion.

Not a rejection - it’s just not relevant to that group. Once LGB expanded one particular letter took the lead and became the loud voice for the ‘community’. Before people demanded equal rights - now the call is to take rights away from others. Big business has stepped in and emboldened them.

You are allowed to reject trans though and that's the point. You should as a lesbian be able to go into a club and say no trans without it being controversial.

The fact that it's controversial is the problem and highlights the point that some trans people think lesbians are their property and they should access to them and some trans allies see no problem with this.

There is nothing wrong with the t-shirt and a lesbian or bisexual saying it given there is a movement where women are put in a vulnerable position where sex is concealed and then they are emotionally blackmailed for saying no.

The t-shirt is like Ronseal. It makes it clear to everyone what someones sexual boundaries are.

If Stonewall and trans twitter were saying the cotton ceiling was bad and condemning anyone promoting it or the idea of it then tbh there who be much less of a reason for the lbg alliance to even exist.

The discrimination and homophobia and abuse of lesbians is the problem and the t-shirt is highlighting it. People don't like attention being drawn to their dirty little secret.

Surely it's been previously pointed out - 'LGB' is not excluding transpeople, because some transpeople identify as LG or B. The T is a different category - it's 'gender identity', which has nothing to do with sexuality. So anyone who ientifies as LGB can be part of it, whatever their chosen gender identity on any given day.

All this organisation is doing is pointing out the problem that arises when same sex attraction comes up against gender identity. The two can't really sit together - this is what happens when you blur gender and sex. The two things are very different. Gender is amorphous, debatable and variable; sex is immutable and dimorphic.

So it seems to make sense to have a LGB org for the same sex bit. There are already, I believe, quite a few organisations that advocate for the T/gender identity, etc.

Surely it's been previously pointed out - 'LGB' is not excluding transpeople, because some transpeople identify as LG or B. The T is a different category - it's 'gender identity', which has nothing to do with sexuality.

Exactly.

The only rejecting and excluding going on by the lbg alliance is where there is a failure to acknowledge homophobia or respect sexual boundaries by parts of the trans community.

@Umyeahnah Totally agree.

Plus of course all the other letters in the list now, Q , I, and the +

So it wasn't just t that was 'excluded' but the only reason there were complaints

Well I'm a hardline GC woman but even I see the tee shirt as a bit goady. Of course the TRAs were going to complain. That's a given. The formation of the LGB alliance, which I support 100%, is a rejection of the T, whatever the (good) reasons. Stop with the faux innocence around 'just different paths', or comparing it to a TWAW tee shirt.

So supporting the LGB Alliance is ok, but wearing their merch is goady?

Woman left isolated from her friends, in a dark area, with no jacket and no money, having been manhandled and scared by men who were bigger, stronger and faster than her - not a great look by G1.

Who appear to just really, really hate women.

Noted.

but wearing their merch is goady
Oh come on, of course it's not but surely you can see it's context?
Rocking up to an inclusive of L, G, B, and T club in an LGB T-shirt surely you'd thunk that'd go down like a lead balloon as the saying goes?!

Rocking up to an inclusive of L, G, B, and T club in an LGB T-shirt surely you'd thunk that'd go down like a lead balloon as the saying goes?!

Do you think the same about someone waving a trans flag at a pride parade?

What would be the appropriate context, taking into account that people might want to wear the t-shirt to raise awareness about this new org?

But you can't go to just an lbg club can you? And certainly not an l only club.

That's kind of the point of the LGB Alliance which seems to be conveniently being missed.

There are no homosexual spaces because they have been appropriated by the T who is now trying to dictate that homosexual is an old fashioned word, that lesbians can have willies and that gender not sex defines your sexuality. Which is a definition which is inherently homophobic on nature.

So if you are lgb you can only go to a straight club or go to an LGBT which is actually run by the terms of the T to which you must comply or be castigated for being bigoted.

And no one is standing up to this homophobia, they are just standing on the slide lines going "she's being goady" for wearing a t-shirt for an organisation against homophobia.

Yep sure she's offensive for supporting an organisation which points out that lgb has right to exist without the approval and rule making of the T.

Sure she's offensive for wearing the t-shirt of an organisation that's fed up of the institutionalised homophobia of Stonewall and the internalised homophobia of parts of the trans community.

Yep she's the one in the wrong here for being 'goady'.

Jesus wept.

It’s not the same as a trans pride t-shirt, I would expect a ‘proud to be gay’ t-shirt wouldn’t raise an eyebrow.

It’s the LGB without the T making a point.

Like having a John, Paul, George t-shirt at a Beatles event. It signals that you think there’s a problem with Ringo, not just that you really like John, Paul and George.

If Stonewall and trans twitter were saying the cotton ceiling was bad and condemning anyone promoting it or the idea of it then tbh there who be much less of a reason for the lbg alliance to even exist.

Instead they were, maybe still are, lobbying to decriminalise the offence of "sex by deception" when a trans person conceals their sex to a sexual partner.

So what do you think about the T noble? Specifically, given you're a secondary school teacher, does anything concern you when girls have to share toilets or accommodation on trips with their Male peers? Anything concerning about the large number of girls who suddenly identify as boys? What are your views on the Oxfordshire CC guidance?