Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt

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This is just so wrong. How can this happen in the 21st century. No oppressed group ever had such power. Just have to dig some more.

Going on about how this t-shirt is innocently supporting LGB people

Utter rubbish.

You know what? I've met and spoken to several older people who are transsexuals who are the population the GRA was originally aimed to help. We may not agree on everything but I've never heard one be rude here, nor threaten anyone.

Offline and online I've seen and heard from dozens after dozens of people representing exactly the politics I am here standing up against. I've seen one destroy an LGBT group. I've seen the selfishness, the rudeness, the utter lack of empathy, the rape threats, the death threats, the toddler tantrums, up front and personal.

There is no trans group standing up saying they don't agree with this. Or that the extremists don't represent them. Or that they understand female needs, fears, support female people's needs as part of identifying as women, and stand with females to find an answer to work for everyone. None.

There is a never ending trickle of those extremists and their representatives popping up on MN to scold women for not being endlessly polite to, nice about and sympathetic towards these extremists and their threats and appalling behaviour. That no matter what they do to females and how they threaten females rights, the real crime is female people getting cross about it, losing patience and God forbid, not being NICE.

Take that sexism and go away with it. I don't have the patience.

Why on earth would the average person think it's unacceptable?

Because it’s a group that apparently has a problem with trans people. Having a problem with trans people is for the likes of Donald Trump.

Not people - but the activists, who would push women’s rights back, and don’t forget their homophobia.

Charlie yeah, I know all that. But you know what? Most people don’t. That’s the point.

Lord and where on the t-shirt does it explain that?

It doesn’t. It’s just LGB and DEFINITELY NOT the T.

Why should it? It’s a group for gay and bi people. Trans isn’t a sexual orientation is it?

As I have said, it’s not ‘simply’ a group for gay and bi people if they are known to exist because they have an issue with trans (people/rights/activists/whatever). And they put out full page ads saying as much.

No they exist because they want to centre LGB people, which is their right, particularly as Stonewall is failing them as an organisation.

And how has this centring manifested itself, in the view of the general public?

The youth and woke vote is stacked up in the cities.

It does not serve the Conservative Party to pander to it. Indeed the crazier it is, the better it is for them. It helps to consolidate the blue vote in towns and rule areas away from the woke culture.

Why?

Because it helps fuel the culture war. It helps to provoke a backlash against the Equality act in full. That in turn serves the interests of the low regulation hard right of the Conservative Party.

Just this week I read an article in the local paper where a portrait of a local hero had been covered up by some trendy woke piece of art. You can imagine the comments...

The mood is for 'traditional values' and 'localism'.

This background doesn't help all these trans activists in the long run. They will find themselves up shit creek eventually. But it also doesn't help women, homosexuals and children either.

We are in the midst of a roll back against rights. All rights.

By the time the generational tipping point hits... There will be far bigger issues and scandals will have broken. The left won't stop the tide unless they realise what's going on and how they need to engage outside the metropolitan bubble.

The pattern of demographics doesn't favour the Labour...

The mood is for 'traditional values' and 'localism'.

The left value tolerance, the right value security. There’s no point in making a security argument to a tolerance person. It won’t chime. Feminists have been making security arguments and have been surprised to be called bigots and phobes. LGB Alliance are doing the same.

Not sure what I'm getting at?

See below.

Will Jennings @drjennings
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A bit of rather belated analysis of the #GE2019 vote: when you plot the size of Conservative and Labour majorities (in % terms), it is striking how inefficient the Labour vote has become since 2005.^

Labour is increasingly piling up votes in its safe seats, whereas the Conservative majorities tend to increase at a fairly incremental rate.

This is interlinked with the dynamics of geographical polarisation that @ProfStoker and I have identified... it also is consistent with Jonathan Rodden's arguments in 'Why Cities Lose' on the disproportionate urban clustering of the vote for left parties.

This is interlinked with the dynamics of geographical polarisation that @ProfStoker and I have identified... it also is consistent with Jonathan Rodden's arguments in 'Why Cities Lose' on the disproportionate urban clustering of the vote for left parties.

Stephen Bush @stephenkb
This chart sums up what I wrote about this morning about why Johnson may be better served doing symbolic things to "rebalance" the economy rather than actually rebalancing the economy:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2020/01/why-relocating-house-lords-york-would-be-smart-move-boris-johnson
Why relocating the House of Lords to York would be a smart move by Boris Johnson
The government has more of an interest in appearing to improve the state of northern constituencies than in actually doing so.

Thus twitter doesn't reflect voting reality or numbers in the UK. Even if the woke vote in numbers is increasing (which is debatable), the effect of constituencies (which are likely to be revamped this parliament even more in the Tories favour) means that you can't ignore a more socially Conservative vote as it has disproportionate influence now.

This is a change which a lot of people haven't got to grips with yet.

It affects a lot.

Stephen Bush's argument is that it serves the Tories to keep regional towns as shit holes because its drives the young to the cities in search of opportunity and in doing so stacks the Labour vote.

By the same token it serves the Conservatives to allow the woke brigade to carry on with their demands - and look nuts in doing so. And then act when it suits to 'rein it in' and to provoke a full on revolt against the Equality Act.

Who is going to get caught in the middle of that?

The Lbg alliance and the feminists see the coming trap...

The left value tolerance - don't make me laugh.
And how has this centring manifested itself, - by acknowledging the unequivocal and immutable existence of sex and therefore the reality of same sex attraction
in the view of the general public? what all of them? be more specific, I don't represent anyone but myself .

the right value security - what are all those safe spaces out of fashion now?

Traditional liberalism was about tolerance.

All of the main parties have abandoned that in favour of more authoritarian policy and ideology.

The idea that the left is more tolerant is part of the 'liberal identity' PR. But its actually bullshit in practice.

As I have said, it’s not ‘simply’ a group for gay and bi people if they are known to exist because they have an issue with trans (people/rights/activists/whatever

By that logic, couldn’t you then say that Action On Trans Health, or Mermaids, or Gendered intelligence are known to exist because they have a problem with gay people?

Actually, come to think of it...

@NonnyMouse1337

"that they believe in gender souls that inhabit all of us, then gender identity ideology should be classed as a religious belief and treated accordingly by society."

This is the only logical conclusion of the belief that people can be born in the wrong body and as you say, is magical thinking.

It's possible to refer to the developmental stage when this occurs and make sense of the threats of violence.

As the saying goes, I am a mother,just not your mother.

The idea that the left is more tolerant is part of the 'liberal identity' PR. But its actually bullshit in practice.

Or per Popper’s Paradox of Intolerance, they think that in order to preserve their tolerant society, they have to boot out intolerance, with LGBnotT being seen as intolerant.

By the same token it serves the Conservatives to allow the woke brigade to carry on with their demands - and look nuts in doing so. And then act when it suits to 'rein it in' and to provoke a full on revolt against the Equality Act.

You appear to be crediting the Conservatives with a plan. Also, why would the Conservatives want to revoke the Equality Act? They brought in gay marriage, they seemed to be headed towards the GRA when it looked like an easy win. And for all Johnson’s talk of bum boys, I think he is towards the liberal side of the party.

The left value tolerance, the right value security.

A vocal faction of the left don't value tolerance at all. They are authoritarian zealots.

Feminists have been making security arguments and have been surprised to be called bigots and phobes. LGB Alliance are doing the same

If we change the word feminists for women, it's even more enlightening.

It would certainly seem Dominic Cummings had a plan and has one now.

As for tolerance vs. intolerance — maybe it’s me, but I don’t see rape and death threats to women as an example of the paradox of tolerance. I don’t see beating a 60-year old woman to the ground or making a bomb threat to a group of women gathering to discuss women’s rights, or blockading them in in a stairwell or lunging at Julie Bindel an example of the paradox of tolerance.

It sure looks a hell of a lot like something else to me, something that has NOTHING to do with tolerance and everything to do with enforcement of rigid ideology that insists people adhere to a lie, the falsity of which they perceive with their very own eyes.

YY, Bovary — and then add in the words “security arguments regarding children.”

If we change the word feminists for women, it's even more enlightening.

Not really, it’s the standard response of the left to that sort of argument. Right wingers have been used to it for years. Remember Rotherham was kept quiet because the police didn’t want to be accused of racism? Think about concerns about immigration. Security versus tolerance.

Or per Popper’s Paradox of Intolerance, they think that in order to preserve their tolerant society, they have to boot out intolerance, with LGBnotT being seen as intolerant.
Reminds me of the line from Don MacLean
'we had to shoot some people 'cos they wouldn't agree
That things go better with democracy'
The left don't own tolerance as soon as they claim to be the arbiters they are by definition intolerant.
Why are all these trans people who's safety is threatened by a T Shirt and are not prepared to acknowledge someone else's reality not right wing bigots?