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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt

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Imnobody4 · 19/01/2020 11:50

twitter.com/satiricole/status/1218744161874186242?s=19
This is just so wrong. How can this happen in the 21st century. No oppressed group ever had such power. Just have to dig some more.

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CharlieParley · 19/01/2020 13:56

If people got out from behind their keyboards and their little echo chamber and met members of the wider LGBT community they'd find minimal support for the LGB Alliance.

That's an interesting claim and on the surface not necessarily untrue. However, as I left the LGB Alliance launch last night, I went to a coffe shop before setting off coz I was so tired I decided I needed a coffee to be alert for my drive home.

And got chatting to the young chap who served me. He asked me what the LGB Alliance was and got it straight away. You'll probably find that most people are much more likely to understand that the LGB group has a number of different aims from the T group, and that it is normal to have different organisations advocating for those aims.

Of course, within the LGBT community, if you spin this as hateful and a betrayal of the T, people who don't look beyond the surface, may well agree with you at first. But if you sit them down and explain the aims of the group, most come to a different conclusion.

And it's hardly surprising that a group which was founded a mere three months ago has not yet found wide acceptance. I'm confident that it will be accepted to sit alongside all the different trans organisations which exist solely to advocate for those who identify as trans precisely because some of their aims are specific to the needs only those who identify as trans have. There's no justification at all otherwise to accept the existence of all of those purely trans orgs while rejecting a purely LGB org.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 19/01/2020 13:56

The Polo club has a long history of misogyny.

Cascade220 · 19/01/2020 13:57

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Ereshkigal · 19/01/2020 13:59

Transgenderism is not a sexual orientation. LGB are sexual orientations same as others have said, protected by the Equality Act against discrimination.

ohtheholidays · 19/01/2020 14:06

I would have gone fucking nuclear when I used to go clubbing if one of my friends had been kicked out of a club without her keys and without her coat!

Seperating her from her friends and kicking her out without her stuff anything could have happened to her and that club and it's bouncers should be spoken to and they should get into shit loads of trouble for that alone!

How the fuck do the club think they're doing the right thing?!What so she has to celebrate trans or she's not welcomed there how the fuck is that equal!?

snowblight · 19/01/2020 14:09

And got chatting to the young chap who served me. He asked me what the LGB Alliance was and got it straight away.

I'm sure he was given a very balanced introduction to them.

Datun · 19/01/2020 14:12

It is basic, though snow.

LG and B is about sexual orientation. The T can lead to a situation where you have heterosexual males demanding inclusion into the lesbian sexual orientation.

Datun · 19/01/2020 14:14

Sorry, I meant to add, that lesbian sexual orientation is defined under the equalities act. It does not include males.

aliasundercover · 19/01/2020 14:15

I bet he’d have got a much more balanced introduction from you, snowblight.

While I’m posting to you I’ll ask the question one more time: would it have been ok to wear a trans pride T-shirt to the club?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 19/01/2020 14:22

Why would it not be OK to wear a trans pride to a club that is inclusive of all L, G, B, T?

aliasundercover · 19/01/2020 14:23

Why is it not ok to wear a LGB T-shirt to a club that is inclusive of L, G, B and T?

Cascade220 · 19/01/2020 14:24

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karencantobe · 19/01/2020 14:28

I support the LGB Alliance, but wearing a t shirt like this to an LGBT club was always going to be political. If she had attended a lesbian only groups she would have been fine.

doritosdip · 19/01/2020 14:30

I'm sick of this.
Some people think that gender trumps sex. Other people think the opposite. It's not hateful to disagree that sex is more important than gender. It's no different to some people thinking that God exists while others do not. The people on the other side of the debate aren't been exclusionary or hateful by their stance.

The woman advertising that she is LGB is not hateful. A slogan that said LGB are better than trans or heterosexual people is unacceptable but it's like kids wearing T-shirts with Pretty Princess/Cheeky Boy slogan.

Why do T have the right to say that she has no right to believe in sex over gender? If she had behaved in a physically threatening manner while wearing the T-shirt then T would have a point but it's no different to wearing a T-shirt that advertises that you belong to a single sex sports club or something.

karencantobe · 19/01/2020 14:31

@doritosdip It isn't like wearing those other t-shirts. LGB Alliance is a political group.

Cascade220 · 19/01/2020 14:31

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Qcng · 19/01/2020 14:33

This t shirt is fine

Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt
Qcng · 19/01/2020 14:33

This Tshirt is fine

Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt
Qcng · 19/01/2020 14:34

But "LGB" supporting T shirt?

Not okay.

Lordfrontpaw · 19/01/2020 14:35

‘ All letters are equal, but some letters are more equal than others’

aliasundercover · 19/01/2020 14:36

There are actually people here on mumsnet telling lesbians what they can and cannot wear

karencantobe · 19/01/2020 14:36

@Qcng Were people wearing those t-shirts inside the club then?

midcenturylegs · 19/01/2020 14:41

I'm confused by the whole twitter thread. The said manager of the bar seems to have had some 'errrrr' tweets but in general seems Supportive of the LGB Alliance and how that could come across as being transphobic in the past? Or do I have this wrong?

noblegiraffe · 19/01/2020 14:45

I went to the LGB Alliance website and the front page is all about trans stuff.

Which seems odd if it’s supposed to be all about LGB.

Qcng · 19/01/2020 14:45

During LGBT events, Karen
Like this woman was.

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